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Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby gb6724 » Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:32:45 GMT

One option is to somehow show that the netiquette is incompatible with Google Groups.



Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby gb6724 » Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:36:53 GMT

> One option is to somehow show that the netiquette is incompatible with Google Groups.

I know it is incompaible as permanent archives violate netiquette. I know, I just don't know
how it can be shown. I am not a good philosopher, am I? Maybe I need to study philosophy.



Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby curt » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:18:12 GMT



What is it about archives that have you so scared?  Did you say something
bad on Usenet and you are now afraid that your parents are going to find
out about it?

Do you understand that when you post on Usenet, you are not in the privacy
of your own home?  You are standing on a stage in front of millions of
people.  They all have the right to remember, and to archive, and to share
with others, anything you say when you are on this very public soap box.
If you don't want people to hear what you say, then why on earth are you
standing on the worlds largest soap box and talking?

And why on earth do you think comp.ai.philosophy is the right place to talk
about about Usenet archives?

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Curt Welch                                             http://www.**--****.com/ 
 XXXX@XXXXX.COM                                          http://www.**--****.com/ 

Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby gb6724 » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:51:04 GMT

> > > One option is to somehow show that the netiquette is incompatible with

Its the country here, netiquette is the constitution.

Google Groups obviously violate human rights. I need a proof.



Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby gb6724 » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:03:16 GMT

> > > > One option is to somehow show that the netiquette is incompatible with

Let me rephrase the question. Does Google Groups violate the netiquette. Yes or No.



Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby curt » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:37:53 GMT



Netiquette says you are wrong and Google is right.  It's always been
assumed on Usenet that anything you post to Usenet is made available to the
entire public, and made available for as long as any news servers want to
retain it.

How can you argue that you have a right to privacy when you post to Usenet?
Usenet is as public a system as you can find anywhere in the world.  If you
want privacy, use e-mail, or better yet, don't transmit anything over the
internet.

Anyone who doesn't want their messages archived on Google can add the
X-No-Archive header to their articles and I believe Google will even remove
articles from their archive on request.

Google is doing a great service for Usenet and they do it for free, and
they support features to allow articles to be blocked from the archive and
you call them bad?  And you violate netiquette by posting off topic posts
to do it?

And you wonder why people are adding you to their bozo-bin filters?

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Curt Welch                                             http://www.**--****.com/ 
 XXXX@XXXXX.COM                                          http://www.**--****.com/ 

Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby gb6724 » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:14:22 GMT

gt; > > > > One option is to somehow show that the netiquette is incompatible

I don't think Netiquette says that Google is right. Yes, its public. No, they
violate netiquette. I guess we see the netiquette differently.


No. This is too complex. I am looking for a simple yes no. To me Google is not compatible
with the netiquette. I was around when the usenet started, before archives became popular.
I posted whatever I wanted. Ever since Google is around, I have to be careful. Everything
became publically searchable. No more free speech. Not the same. The original netiquette
changed with text telling people to be careful on what they write. I don't wanna be careful.
As Dudley Moore would say in Crazy People: Careful is annoying. It annoys people.

The people side is represented by me here, of course without actually representing them.

Insanity is the charge.


Yes. Hateful laws, they tell us what to do. {*filter*} them. Not human. Confusing.
Unintuitive. Common sense would tell me hardly anyone uses that feature.
Are we all programmers having to learn a programming language for talking?


No, I am working on this matter.


?

Thanks,
George



Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby gb6724 » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:19:31 GMT

gt; > > > > > One option is to somehow show that the netiquette is incompatible


AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.




Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby gb6724 » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:28:08 GMT

gt; > > > > > > One option is to somehow show that the netiquette is incompatible

That was a scream. I feel much better. Sometimes people need nuthouse just for screaming a
little.




Re: Permanent archives are the Berlin wall... how can they be removed philosophically

Postby gb6724 » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:33:01 GMT

gt; > > > > > > > One option is to somehow show that the netiquette is incompatible

My mistake. They don't violate netiquette as the netiquette adapted to Google and archivers.

But thanks.

George



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