Widow/orphan control not working

Since our company upgraded to Word 2003, widow/orphan control does not work 
with our templates. I'm not sure if this is a Word issue or a conflict with 
our customized styles. Our template use a modified version of the Normal 
style (Arial 11pt, left aligned, line spacing single, indents 0", spacing 
after 6pt). Widow/orphan conrol is on but sometimes a single line is left 
lonely at bottom or top of page. Why is this?

If I paste similar text into a document based on Word's default Normal.dot, 
using the default Normal style in that template, there are no widow/orphans. 
If I now modify that style to include 6pt after, there are still no 
widow/orphan issues. 

I forgot to say that I'm using Word 2003 on Windows XP. To add to the 
mystery, if I copy text from one of our templates where the widow/orphan 
issue is apparent into a new document based on Normal.dot and keep the 
source formatting, the text behaves as it should, i.e., no widows/orphans. 
Can there be something in the page layout overriding the paragraph 
formatting defined in the styles? This issue happens not just to paragraphs 
based on the Normal style but also with some of the heading styles. 
Fortunately, we rarely use headings that run to more than one line, so that 
is not such a big issue.

It could be a problem of too many paragraphs formatted as "Keep with next,"
but it's also possible the document is just corrupt. See
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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I'm using Word 2003 on Windows XP. For some time, widow/orphan control has 
not been working in documents based on our corporate templates. If text (and 
styles) is copied from a document based on one of these templates into a 
document based on Normal.dot, then the text behaves as it should, i.e., 
widow/orphan works as expected.

When I previously posted this question a few months ago, it was suggested 
that the issue might be having too many paragraphs formatted "keep with 
next." That is not the case as this happens with just a page or two of text 
with no special paragraph formatting. However, I'm now fairly sure that the 
problem is being caused by a frame in the footer. The footers of all these 
templates are set up in such a way that there is some text on the left and 
on the right there is a frame containing the company logo and some 
additional text (copyright notice, page number and date). The frame appears 
to be aligned with the right margin and the top of the header area. However, 
if the frame is deleted, the text behaves itself, i.e., widow/orphan works.

Since I don't own the templates, it's not an option for me to revise all of 
them by removing the frames in the footer. But is there something in the 
frame formatting that could be changed so it doesn't interfere with the text 
on the page? The frame is formatted as follows: 2.5 inches high, 1.18 inches 
wide, horizontal position right relative to margin, distance from text 0.13 
inches, vertical position 9.83 inches relative to margin, distance from text 
0 inches. Move with text and lock anchor are unchecked. Document margins set 
to one inch on all sides and paper size is US letter.

My workaround to date has been to used Keep Lines Together to prevent ugly 
paragraph breaks, but this is time-consuming in long documents and looks bad 
in long paragraphs.Any suggestions please.

I can confirm the issue. It seems that Word just isn't up to calculating
where the page breaks fall when the line width changes between one page and
the next. I've learned to live with it in the few templates I have that use
frames or text boxes this way.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site:  http://www.**--****.com/ 
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.





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