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Howdy Cor - Good afternoon now!!

    Isn't it nice to be able to 'converse' again without having to wait
several hours and then be afraid to click on a message in case it disappears!!

    I agree that storing multiple copies of a mail is silly, however I don't
believe this is John's intention.

    || You know, some like the tango others the quickstep.

    LOL. And others have a style involving drumsticks and a lot of space which
can't* be named!! ;-))

Cheers,
Fergus

* Actually I'm sure many people <have> got a name for it but I'm not going to
let that put me off!!

Hi Nick,

    Did you get my email (6:20 yesterday evening)?

Fergus

Hi Fergus,


Yup, email was recieved, but I could only reply today, did you get my reply?

Nick.

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Hi Fergus,

A minute after that I wrote my answer "I got it" and did send that.

But let's make a nice discussion about behaviour in this newsgroup.

Before you read this, you have to know that I did first make a message to
Herfried wherein I asked him to do what you asked. Not because I fully
agree, but because it is so few extra work to put that extra sentence (I did
this, because I have probably the same feeling about this as Herfried, but
on the other hand think to understand why you ask it).

I think that we have to remember, that probably for the most visitors at
this newsgroup, English is not there major language. They use it and that is
normal, because the program language is too basically in English.

You have to know, that non native English speaking people, sometimes become
a little bit sad about English speaking people, who only know that language
and are thinking that they are speaking the language of the world, while it
is not. To be honest, we measure them about that.

Don't think it are only English speaking people, we in Holland see it often,
the same is with a lot of people from Germany and from France.

Strange is that with Spanish and Italian speaking people it is not. While
Italian is in Europe as much spoken as English and French and I thought
Spanish is Worldwide more spoken than English.

What I write is not about you and most other native speaking English
visitors to this newsgroup and expressly not the regulars.

Therefore I think we can see that extra attention from Herfried (when he
does it) only to be for those who only speak English and have no alternative
for another newsgroup than this, because there is no special EN language
newsgroup for "dotnet.vb.language".

I have seen you helping someone in probably strange language for you, about
a script, for a woman. Did you know what language you were writing?

Cor.

Hi Cor,

    || A minute after that I wrote my answer "I got it" and did send that.

    So you did. OE and the newsgroup is still being a bit wierd then. I saw
your 1:09pm message but not the 1:10pm one. ??

    || I think that we have to remember, that probably for the most
    || visitors at this newsgroup, English is not there major language

    I've come to think that for the most visitors it <is> and that this is, in
fact, an English newsgroup, even if doesn't have 'en' in the name. Microsoft
is an American company. Many, if not most, of the assisters are native Englih
speaking. And there <are> regional newsgroups for other languages, (even if
English seems to be used a lot in them too!!).

    || You have to know, that non native English speaking people, sometimes
    || become a little bit sad about English speaking people, who only know
    || that language and are thinking that they are speaking the language of
the
    || world, while it is not. To be honest, we measure them about that.

    Times change. There was time whan an English gentleman who could not speak
French was not considered civilised. Earlier still, an Englishman who couldn't
speak Norse was at a severe disadvantage in much of the country. The lack of
other languages of many English people is not because of an attitude that
English is the only language (though it may look like it ) but because the
disadvantage of not speaking these other languages is not strong enough to
warrant the effort. Times will change again.

    The reason I made my point to Herfried, has little to do with attitudes or
anything, maybe it's even less about language than it may seem*1. It's purely
pragmatic. Many one-language people are intimidated by the sight of another.
It's just one of those basic human nature things - some people yes, some
people no, some people in-between depending on this, that and the other
(Gaussian distribution).

    Herfried is here, I believe, because he get's a big kick out of helping
people. To give someone help which they may reject is simply to reduce the
percentages*1, that's all. Some people <will> fail to get the help because of
a lack of guidance*2. Herfried has said that that's up to them. And fair
enough. He helps many, many people. If he 'loses' those who fail to 'put the
effort in' it's a loss that he can afford - there's good vibes aplenty from
the others. I understand, too, an attitude that says "I'm working hard to help
you people, I expect you to make your contribution too". I have it myself at
times and I think "if you can't be bothered, why should I?". That's fair
enough too, for we are only mortals, even if some have achieved MVM*3 status!!
;-)

    || I have seen you helping someone in probably strange language
    || for you, about a script, for a woman. Did you know what
    || language you were writing?

    Which topic was this one?

Regards,
Fergus

*1 It's more about human nature and statistics.

*2 Whether the percentage is low or too-low-to-care-about is not one that I
can judge.

*3 Most Valued Mortals. www.mvms.org ;-))

Hi Fergus,

You only did take my introduction. Did you see the major points too?

Because you write so many things in your introduction, that I try to explain
in the end, am I doubting why you did not give comments on that part?

You know I don't get angry on you? I know you too do it like me only to get
more knowlegde from arguing.

The subject, I was looking for that because I did want to paste in the text
by value,  but could not find it.
;-)
Cor

Hi Charles,

This week on the 7th was a lady Erica Roberts, who was a little bit sad
because she did not get an answer.

I told here that the real webbrowser specialist was mostly only here from
friday till sunday.

It was not that simple, that I could give here an answer and it is something
I never did but intresting.
But because of the change searching for an answer and knowing that you know
it probably direct, I told here that the best she could do to wait some days
and hope that you would see it earlier.

The subject is error and the name you have.

:-)
Cor

Hi Fergus,

By reference 7

By value
Therefore I think we can see that extra attention from Herfried (when he
does it) only to be for those who only speak English and have no alternative
for another newsgroup than this, because there is no special EN language
newsgroup for "dotnet.vb.language".

This I found nice to discuss, I think that the most non native English
speakers agree,  but I am curious about a native English speaker.

Cor

Herfried,

    That was last night. In a well off-the-road thread. It's best kept there.

    You've succumbed to the temptation this time, but - for everyone's
benefit.

    ========================
    Please leave it out of the mainstream.
    ========================

    Thanks.

Fergus

Hi Herfried,

While it is in German, English and Dutch

:-)

Cor

* "Cor" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > scripsit:

Even if people here can read it, they don't understand the content
*shock*.

-- 
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
<< http://www.**--****.com/ ;>

We just don't like rules.

    ||* "Cor" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > scripsit:
    ||>>>  http://www.**--****.com/ 
    ||>>
    ||>> You won't win the fight in this group.
    ||>
    ||> While it is in German, English and Dutch
    ||
    ||Even if people here can read it, they don't understand the content
    ||*shock*.
    ||
    ||-- 
    ||Herfried K. Wagner
    ||MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
    |<< http://www.**--****.com/ ;>

Sorry, couldn't resist that.

* "Mick Doherty" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > scripsit:

It's your choice to take part in the community of people _helping_ or in
the spammer community.

EOT

-- 
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET<
< http://www.**--****.com/ ;t>

Herfried,


Maybe they do, but  they don't agree with it, that is the hard thing from
progress  and when you want to go in the inovation business, will be
confronted with many times.

And sometimes you will see, that you're the one who took the wrong
conclussion and did learn from it.

This last I said without any connection to the topic now, because in this
topic I don't think there is a right or wrong.

:-)

Cor

* "Cor" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > scripsit:

I remember the teacher at school telling us:

  1 + 1 = 2

Most people agreed.  Those who didn't agree left the school or got a bad
mark.  It was their choice to learn or to stay stupid.


"Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto."
  (Cicero, Terenz)


:-)

-- 
Herfried K. Wagner
MVP VB Classic, VB.NET
<< http://www.**--****.com/ ;>