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invalid image?

Postby Rhonda » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 03:52:10 GMT

Hi-
When saving Jpg. images I find that when opening them with 
paint or MGI photosuite I get a message "Not a valid 
Image. Image could not be read". These "images" do not 
show up as viewable. Sometimes it says it contains an 
extra 2 bytes of extraneous data. This type is viewable. 
What does this mean? Is there something that I can do 
about this?

Thank you for your assistance.

Rhonda

Re: invalid image?

Postby glee » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:13:13 GMT

What program are you using to create, or originally save, the JPG images in question?

Try saving them and/or viewing them as JPG images using Irfan Viewer:
 http://www.**--****.com/ 

....glen
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems






Re: invalid image?

Postby Ron Badour » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:21:21 GMT

Paint doesn't open .jpg files unless you have an add on installed--I don't know the other program.  I suggest you install this program:  Irfanview:  A very good freeware graphics viewer:   http://www.**--****.com/ 


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Re: invalid image?

Postby Rhonda » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:31:37 GMT

Hello Glee,

I should have mentioned that I am using Roxio Direct CD 
format Utility, which is an auxilliary program of Roxio 
Easy CD creator version 5.2 to write to the CD-R Disks. 
Again, generally it works, but there are instances where 
in editing, I will get "an illegal operation..." message 
and it closes down. The image is then lost. Or as I 
mentioned, "not a valid image, image could not be read" 
and stuff like that.

Thanks for your help anyway. I do appreciate it. I will 
check into Irfan-View, but still only have the Roxio CD 
format utility to use to write to the Disk. Thanks again.

Rhonda
it saves a file on a CD-R and allows editing.  The process 
of saving to the CD may be causing extra info to be added 
to the file...I don't know.
it will notify you of invalid file types and attempt to 
fix them when it tries to open them.


Re: invalid image?

Postby Rhonda » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:25:34 GMT

uch of your observation is quite on the mark. answers and
comments interspersed throughout your reply.
DirectCD is for writing to CD-RW discs (rewritable discs)
and that is what the format is used on, or so I thought.
Yet you say you are using it on CD-R discs (not re-
writeables), and are editing directly on the discs.

I have come to understand that the use of CD-Rw and CD-W
were acceptable with the Roxio format utility. This is
what is stated in the help menues. I have used it as such
to make at least 5 disks so far.
I edit using the MGI photosuite which is not dissimilar
to "Paint" in terms of the editing ability. I mentioned
already that I can alter saturation, size, sharpness,
posterize, brightness, color, flood fill, solarize, cut
and paste, color with a spray gun, pen, alter paint stroke
size, and many more features than what "paint" has to
offer. Through that MGI photosuite program I edit and then
it is written to the disk. I guess the PC stores that
information, and when I eject the disk it finishes writing
to the Disk and then ejects.

misunderstanding what you are relating.

Myself either, but that is what has been happening.


an edit of the image, it will likely be damaged in some
way, or made invalid. I would expect that to occur.

Yes glee, that has happened on occasion where after the
edit and I click "save" I will get an "illegal Op..."
message and of course "the program will shut down". After
it closes, and I re-open it, that image is lost. Then I
will also get the "invalid image, Image could not be
read" thing. That place that it occupied in the saved
image line-up that I can preview is then blank and lacking
any picture at all.

Anyway again, I appreciate all of the thought that you
have given this problem of mine and I appreciate your time
spent on it as well.

Regards,
Rhonda :)


I always make a copy of the original image when I want
to edit it, so that any errors will not affect the
original image at all; I can make another copy and start
editing again.

I will ask you at some other time about how to make a copy
of the image that was "saved" to the disk initially. Does
it have anything to do with calling it up from the temp.
internet files that are stored?

Anyway, sometimes (the purpose of my initial post) I get
the "invalid image, image could not be read" even before I
proceed to do any editing at all. So, although I can view
it on a webpage and it looks without fault to me, I guess
it just can't be recorded or saved.
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Re: invalid image?

Postby Rhonda » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:44:31 GMT

Oops Glee, I inserted and closed with my signature at the 
wrong place. Sorry. It obviously should have been 2 more 
paragraphs lower.

Rhonda <%-P
and that is what the format is used on, or so I thought.  
Yet you say you are using it on CD-R discs (not re-
writeables), and are editing directly on the discs.  I do 
not see how that is possible, though I may be 
misunderstanding what you are relating.
an edit of the image, it will likely be damaged in some 
way, or made invalid.  I would expect that to occur.  I 
always make a copy of the original image when I want to 
edit it, so that any errors will not affect the original 
image at all;  I can make another copy and start editing 
again.



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Re: invalid image?

Postby Jeff Richards » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:28:07 GMT

I would not trust MGI Photosuite to preserve the validity of JPG files under
any conditions, let alone accessing them using CD-R. It is the best example
I have ever come across of free software being worth what you paid for it. I
can't be sure that it's the cause of your problem, but it's certainly the
first thing I would consider.

For instance, there is a wide range of filenames that are perfectly valid
DOS and Windows filenames that MGI Photosuite simply can't handle - if it's
accessing a different (or non-existent) file when you ask it to open a file
named in a form it can't understand, you can get the message you reported.
Given that it has this sort of difficulty with ordinary files on a hard
disk, I can easily imagine the possibilities for error when it's accessing
them from CD-R.







Re: invalid image?

Postby glee » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:22:54 GMT

n response to your question about making a copy for editing, I would not save an image directly to a CD for editing, but rather would save it to the hard drive, which is a much faster medium. I then make another copy for editing, do my edits, save, and *then* burn it to a CD.

You may want to have a look at Jeff's reply in this thread, as he has had experience with the app you are using.

....glen
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems

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Re: invalid image?

Postby Rhonda » Thu, 03 Jul 2003 02:32:57 GMT

Thanks Glen for perservering in the pursuit of this 
thread. I will follow your recommendations as to the 
method of saving the image along with that of my sanity. 
Additionally, I will try the Irfan View as a means of 
viewing the final product once created. I have heard of 
Nero as well, and will look them up on the Web, as an 
alternative to Roxios frustrating product.

Lastly, I have read and replied to Jeff Richards 
insightful and damning slam on MGI.

My Thanks to you Glee, (p.s. your canine companion is 
cute, and I believe I have seen your mugshots somewhere 
else before. <G>)

Rhonda
editing, I would not save an image directly to a CD for 
editing, but rather would save it to the hard drive, which 
is a much faster medium.  I then make another copy for 
editing, do my edits, save, and *then* burn it to a CD.  
thread, as he has had experience with the app you are 
using.


Re: invalid image?

Postby glee » Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:30:48 GMT

I see Jeff has filled you in with a lot of good info already.
As he mentioned, Irfan is primarily a viewer though it has some limited editing ability.

There are a lot of image editors out there, but I have had good luck with a couple of that did not cost me anything.  One is ArcSoft PhotoStudio 2.0....it does most of the image editing that one would need for non-professional work.  It is similar to the *very* old version of Paint Shop Pro that I have..version 3.12.

Yes, I imagine you have seen our mugs before, possibly at a spa, where we frequently have clay {*filter*}s. <g>

....glen
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems





Re: invalid image?

Postby Rhonda » Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:34:39 GMT

The expertise of your own experiences and information on 
my issue in particular are truly something that I am 
grateful for. Some things that I had wondered about have 
been duly explained, so the why factor is now something of 
the past.I am sure now that whether I obtain a more pricey 
editing application or not is not so much the important 
thing. The method you elucidated about saving, editing, 
and then completing the job is more of the essence and 
shall no doubt work to much greater satisfaction and 
safety in the long run.

I Thank you very much for all of your assistance.

Rhonda  
However, it is primarily a
worthwhile investing
tool.  You will
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you will end up with
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are expecting.  I
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creates a risk that an
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then the CD version
you decide that
editing and you have


Re: invalid image?

Postby Rhonda » Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:44:20 GMT

Glen,

Thanks very much for the extra "link" to a possible 
editing application. It sure couldn't hurt to take a look 
into what it's about and see if it's for me. 

Simply amazing how your "mugs" and personas emerge from 
behind all of that clay.<BG>
 
Your kindness is appreciated.
Rhonda

already.
has some limited editing ability.
had good luck with a couple of that did not cost me 
anything.  One is ArcSoft PhotoStudio 2.0....it does most 
of the image editing that one would need for non-
professional work.  It is similar to the *very* old 
version of Paint Shop Pro that I have..version 3.12.
a spa, where we frequently have clay {*filter*}s. <g>



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