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AppleLogic.org Question

Postby CC Rider » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:04:22 GMT

I was looking through the AppleLogic.org website and noted the number
of requests for various skill sets relating to ongoing projects.  For
those of us that cannot directly contribute in that way, are there any
other opportunities to help?  Research, sifting through data,
contributing legacy hardware?

I owe a lot to the Apple II and would like to help in some way

Clay

Re: AppleLogic.org Question

Postby Alex Freed » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 03:37:07 GMT



One thing comes to mind. We were thinking about creating a Mill 6809 
card as one demo configuration that is simple enough to serve as an 
example. Unfortunately the schematics we found is inaccurate or 
incomplete. Would be great to be able to borrow an operational card to 
use as a prototype. Non-destructively :)

-Alex.

Re: AppleLogic.org Question

Postby MdntTrain » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:35:18 GMT



Since I started the whole Stellation Mill-on-FPGA thing, I'd be glad
to do the work of correcting the schematic if lent a card.

Alex, I'm glad you said something as I was planning on attempting the
implementation either in FPGA or wirewrapped actual, based on that
schematic I sent you.

 jS

Re: AppleLogic.org Question

Postby Alex Freed » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 06:27:12 GMT





The problem with the available schematics is that it doesn't show what
signal controls the address buffers U12-U14. Clearly the card can't
always drive the bus. This may well not be the only error.
A high-res picture of the back of the card may help a lot.



-Alex.

Re: AppleLogic.org Question

Postby Steven Hirsch » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 07:29:35 GMT




Also, there is a little piggyback board that's required to run OS-9 on The 
Mill.  Would be nice to pickup that logic in the FPGA.

STeve

Re: AppleLogic.org Question

Postby John B. Matthews » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 10:02:06 GMT

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My schematic says:

LS367 for U12, U13, U14
note: pin 1 & 15 of LS367's connect to VMA.

Um, I'm guessing VMA isn't vanilmandelic acid or video music award. :-)

-- 
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Re: AppleLogic.org Question

Postby Mark McDougall » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:42:13 GMT




Valid Memory Address. Indicates the CPU will use the address bus in the next 
cycle.

Regards,

-- 
|              Mark McDougall                | "Electrical Engineers do it
|  < http://www.**--****.com/ ~msmcdoug>   |   with less resistance!"

Re: AppleLogic.org Question

Postby David Wilson » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:45:01 GMT



VMA is the Mill's way of avoiding the 6502's false memory accesses.

The 6809E has an AVMA (Advanced Valid Memory Access) pin and the Mill
generates VMA and /VMA signals from it. If VMA is asserted the 6809
uses the Apple bus and when it is de-asserted the 6502 gets to use it
(I think about 1 in 5 cycles on average).

P.S. I found my notes on the OS9 daughter board.

6809 -> 6502 address mapping (upper 4 bits of address modified)
---------------------------------------------------------------
0000..AFFF -> 1000..BFFF (main memory)
B000..DFFF -> D000..FFFF (language card)
E000..EFFF -> C000..CFFF (I/O cards)
F000..FFFF -> 0000..0FFF (6502 ZP, stack, text screen, 6809 interrupt
vectors)

Re: AppleLogic.org Question

Postby alex.freed.007 » Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:11:39 GMT





I suspected it was a logical place but nice to have a confirmation.


Same mapping as the MS SoftCard. And for the same reason even with a
different CPU.

One remaining issue: the links to the MILL.DSK and OS9.DSK images on
the www.hackzapple.com
are broken. The images are not in the standard archives either. Does
anyone have them?

-Alex.


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