Bootstrapping Forth on JVM, .NET CLR, etc.


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    Hi, I'm new to Forth and this group, but I've spent some time learning the language and getting used to the Gforth implementation. I do mostly scientific computing, so I was wondering if any Forth implementations use the floating-point stack on the x87 FPU directly, say by directly using the ST(0), ST(1), ... registers. I'm not concerned about the shallow depth of this stack; I'm more interested in cutting out the memory fetches and stores that I see what looking at the Forth floating-point math words. When I type 'see f*' in Gforth, for example, I get Code f* ( $804C891 ) mov dword ptr 805DCE0 , ebp \ $89 $2D $E0 $DC $5 $8 ( $804C897 ) mov esi , dword ptr 1BC [esp] \ $8B $B4 $24 $BC $1 $0 $0 ( $804C89E ) add ebp , # 4 \ $83 $C5 $4 ( $804C8A1 ) fld double dword ptr 8 [esi] \ $DD $46 $8 ( $804C8A4 ) fmul double byte ptr [esi] \ $DC $E ( $804C8A6 ) fstp double dword ptr 8 [esi] \ $DD $5E $8 ( $804C8A9 ) add esi , # 8 \ $83 $C6 $8 ( $804C8AC ) mov dword ptr 1BC [esp] , esi \ $89 $B4 $24 $BC $1 $0 $0 ( $804C8B3 ) mov ecx , dword ptr FC [ebp] \ $8B $4D $FC ( $804C8B6 ) jmp ecx \ $FF $E1 end-code What is all the extra memory manipulation? Why does it not just execute the fmul? Thanks, David Smith
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    My local Library recently discarded Cristopher Lampton's Book "Forth For Beginners" So I picked it up for a minute sum. Then I downloaded Win32Forth. Now in chapter two, I have discovered the Word and the word is . This journey seems like it will be a Stack of fun.

Bootstrapping Forth on JVM, .NET CLR, etc.

Postby joel reymont » Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:38:01 GMT


Suppose I wanted to bootstrap a Forth on a JVM, .NET CLR or another
existing VM.

Where would I start?

I'm learning Forth on a Mac (gForth) and don't want to use Windows.

My goal is to create a network link from my Mac to the target VM for
interactive development with cross-compilation and debugging happening

    Thanks, Joel

Re: Bootstrapping Forth on JVM, .NET CLR, etc.

Postby joel reymont » Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:53:42 GMT

To be more precise... Suppose I started up gforth and I'm at the
interpreter prompt.

I want EXECUTE to generate the appropriate bytecode and run it on the
linked VM.

How do I make sure that EXECUTE is not the one that gforth supplies?

Do I hack at the gforth source code to build the cross-compiled Forth
and if so then is gforth the right Forth to start with?

I see no reason to re-implement the "outer interpreter" (right
expression?) and would like to let gforth parse my Forth code. I can't
envision how I would replace the code generation part, though.

    Thanks, Joel

Re: Bootstrapping Forth on JVM, .NET CLR, etc.

Postby Dmitry Ponyatov » Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:01:27 GMT

You can use your own byte-code interpreter (a.k.a. inner interpreter =
engine = virtual machine) written in Java/C#, and cross-compiler
written in FORTH which generates byte-code from Forth-like language

Re: Bootstrapping Forth on JVM, .NET CLR, etc.

Postby Dmitry Ponyatov » Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:04:52 GMT

at  http://www.**--****.com/ 
build upon this principle -- simple virtual forth machine in C with
some C++ elements and cross-compiler for SP-FORTH (I still now
understand vocabularies and use lower-cased words for FVM commands and
some non-standard language elements like { } var const buffer)

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