## Only Forth also ideas

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• 1. [Fwd: [OT] PostLisp, a language experiment]
Good example! Connect with the math culture, bring out the meaning. Bernd Paysan wrote: > John Doty wrote: > >>This stuff takes judgement, not rigid, dogmatic thinking. In particular, >>you have to pay attention to the thought processes of those who might >>need to read your code. A two symbol definition like Paul's SQUARE is >>2.5 sigma away from 7+-2: it might be considered marginal. Personally, I >>think I'd rather see "DUP *", but other readers might find SQUARE >>easier. Might depend on how much other visual distraction there is in >>the code. > > > Try this example: > > : distance ( a b -- c ) square swap square + sqrt ; > > vs. > > : distance ( a b -- c ) dup * swap dup * + sqrt ; > > I find the upper version more readable, since it's obvious that the distance > is the square root of the sum of squares. > Now I know your metric tensor is unity :-) -jpd

### Only Forth also Ideas

```Only Forth also Ideas for you

You are invited to a newsgroup where there is Forth and only Forth.
Good stuff. Questions get answered quickly. There is no spam and
almost no discussion about lemmings, politics, "he said she said" or
other OT subjects.  It is not moderated, we use peer pressure only.

This would be the Win32Forth newsgroup and your invited to join us for
discussions.  Currently we have 172 reader/subscribers.

We have a content version control (Tortoise CVS)setup so it is easy to
help with improvements and get the latest changes.

To visit our group on the web, go to:
http://www.**--****.com/
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That's not a newsgroup, that's a yahoo web-based forum.  IMHO, it would
be preferable in many ways to apply some of that "peer pressure" here
instead.  Point by point, questions seem to get answered quickly here,
and there is little spam.  That's the good news.

The bad news is that lemmings, politics, and "he said, she said" and
other OT subjects are unfortunately very common here, and probably will
be until Jeff Fox takes another vacation from the group.

Ed

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I find this group much easier to follow by adding that name to my kill
file.  ;)

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John A Peters
Anton Ertl
Julian Noble
Stephen Pelc
Bernd Paysan
Dirk Busch

Also some like Tom Zimmer don't post here these days

George Hubert

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I might consider joining
*EXCEPT*

Yahoo! has not a "privacy policy" but its antithesis.
For full access to any Yahoo! group you seem to give up ANY concept of
privacy.
I complained to them, but they could not be bothered replying.
My interpretation is that you have *NONE* !

When I considered joining another group I was asked for age, sex,
income level etc etc as well as much too much personally identifiable
information. And just what is stored cryptically encoded in those
cookies you must enable?
*CAVEAT EMPTOR*

P.S. Anyone with appropriate clout, please "rattle" Yahoo!'s corporate
cage ;}

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```From: "Richard Owlett" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >

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When you sign-up for Yahoo Groups, they may ask you those things but you do
not have to answer them.  We have readers and subscribers who have not
filled in any of that information. Most of the members in Win32Forth have
filled in some of those things, but in another chat group for the San
Francisco PC users group there are at least two members where the Yahoo
Profile states ( Not Available )

So please give it another try and see how many fields you can avoid filling
in .  I don't think we need .anything other than a screen name and an e-mail
address. The e-mail address could be a throwaway address but it is most
convenient to have it so the chat messages can be e-mailed to you rather
than using the somewhat clunky online Web interface.

Thank you for the feedback, I find it highly valuable.  There may be several
others who feel the same way you do.

John A. Peters

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Also you can use a yahoo.com email address and not get emails, but
rather visit the web page to read the posts.  So you can be as invisible
as you like.  The cookies are just so you don't have to log in on every
page you visit.  You can even delete all the cookies after you vist the
group pages.

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These seem to have a stronger interest in the hardware end of things
than the language end. Forth covers such a broad spectrum that one
person's "favorites" list will only be a subset of the useful
contributors.

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Let's hope that it is a long a one, or a permanent one.
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Let's hope that it is a long a one, or a permanent one.
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Finally ready to join the back of the mob.  Brave leadership.
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I haven't seen any questions, rather just a few more cowards joining
the mob.  Since there are no questions I will let the other people
give all the misleading or wrong answers to such questions, calculated
or otherwise as that seems to be what people want to hear.

Unlikely.

I often have just felt sorry for the people who accept all the wrong
answers that they get here.  I should just accept that they want the
wrong answers and leave it at that.

No, too many {*filter*}s jumping in to create more confusion.  If there are
really that many {*filter*}s who so love the fake answers and don't want
reliable information about the subjects that I do know about then fine.
I will simply accept that a loud vocal majority prefer the confusion
and object to any efforts to straighten it out.  I do feel sorry for
those who only want one view of things presented but once again they
have spoken.

May I be excused?  comp.lang.forth is just too sickening.  The blind
leading the blind to be just too sad to watch.  The one's pretending
to be blind to join in are sadder to watch.  If they really want to
play that game, holding hands and drifting toward the cliff, well
enjoy the ride.

I haven't seen any questions to answer so I think I will just
excuse myself.  If I think anything looks like a serious question
or is asking for a response I will keep the parting comments short
and succinct.
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*snort*
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And this ad hominem helps the signal to noise ratio how?  You've just
turned what was a simple announcement about another place to discuss
Forth and turned it into a flame.

I don't agree with everything Jeff Fox says or all of his methods, but
to single him out like that is pure garbage.  I've seen people here
attacked, belittled ect. simply because they were "enthusiastic" about
ideas outside of "mainstream Forth".  In fact the last time Jeff
Fox "came out of vacation" that's precisely what was going on.
Someone listed ColorForth enthusiasts as one reason for Forth's
"decline", ColorForth enthusiasts tried to talk rationally about
their accomplishments, and things got noisy (and ugly IMO) rather
quick.  Right before that ColorForth, MISC and other "Chuck Moore"
ideas had been barely mentioned.  (Oh, I know.  The person that
started this will deny it yet again.)  Jeff jumped back in to
respond to the noise.

Regards,

John M. Drake
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```Remember the idea is to encourage the "good" posts and up the signal to
noise ratio.
Can you point to a thread from the past that has good content?  (Please)

JaP

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Eckert" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
To: < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: [personal] Re: Only Forth also Ideas

> "George Hubert" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
news:<cb9gqp\$57v\$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >...
> > What about
> > ...
> > Stephen Pelc
> > Brad Eckert
> > Bernd Paysan
> > ...
>
> These seem to have a stronger interest in the hardware end of things
> than the language end. Forth covers such a broad spectrum that one
> person's "favorites" list will only be a subset of the useful
> contributors.
>
> --

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```I have been looking at text-userland lately, and one thing that has
annoyed me is that the most common open source spreadsheet is "sc", and
the versions I have found are Y2K buggy --- the date functions do not
work with the new millenium.

Of course a text-userland spreadsheet written in an open forth would
also provide the opportunity to extend the functions in forth, which is
on the shopping list for any spreadsheet.

And if it is more compact than "sc", it would also provide a greeting
card for forth in the MinisculeLinux space (on top, of course, a
text-userland suduko problem generator, entry, "hand" solver, and
automatic solver toolkit, where so much progress has been made on the
latter part at least).

How do you get started on a Forth spreadsheet?  I think it is safe to
target it to general linux term / ansi.sys type console functionality
to get into both the OpenDOS and FloppyLinux spaces.

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