Well, there's this problem for them. We've got more resources, more industry, and more technology. Now, I suppose that hubris could be a problem... it finished Hitler, after all. But I think it's pretty obvious which way the first 2 years of the war would go. Dude, we haven't carpet bombed Iraq back into the stone age. Think Dresden. Think fall of Berlin. Think Tokyo firestorm. We're not really holding onto Iraq because we're *nice*. They *were* ecstatic that we had freed them... until the looting started. Until they realized they didn't have any jobs. And unfortunately, most Iraqis don't have a strong work ethic. They've been trying to survive, taking orders under a brutal dictator, for so long that most of them don't know how to think for themselves or take responsibility. I really commend the ones who are, the Iraqi police who are getting shot at when they have no weapons and so forth. They are very brave, admirable people. But their countrymen are lazy bums who haven't learned to stand on their own two feet yet. I don't blame them for not having it in them yet, Saddam was a terrible dictator. But there is a learning curve for them to go up about the personal morals it takes to build a real country. This is why it's so important to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis as quickly as possible. The common Iraqi will never take responsibility for his country until he owns it. As long as he doesn't own it, the USA is just some new imperial power. Generally much nicer than Saddam, but in specific instances maybe not, as far as they perceive it. Iraqis will blame the USA for everything, until Iraqis are stuck with only themselves to blame. Once they have ownership, *then* they will say, "Hey, Saddam is gone and we do not want him back. Let's finish him." Bush needs to majorly pick up the pace on turning over Iraq to the Iraqis. There are clear parallels to the Vietnam war, about winning "hearts and minds." Hopefully, that is sinking in... saw on the news today a lot of talk about "Iraqifying" the army. -- Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA Brandon's Law (after Godwin's Law): "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a person being called a troll approaches one RAPIDLY."