OT: Border patrol agents go to prison for 11/12 yrs

by **Michael Baier** » Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:08:31 GMT

ttp://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53805

Disgrace or what?
Giving the drug-dealer full immunity not once but twice.
Another heck of a job.

INVASION USA
Border agents sent to prison
Angry Republican congressman calls President Bush 'disgrace'
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Amid protests and a flurry of last-minute efforts by congressmen, two border
patrol agents are scheduled today to begin long prison sentences for shooting
and wounding a Mexican drug smuggler who was granted full immunity to
testify against them.
In an interview with WND, an angry Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., called
President Bush a "disgrace" for refusing to pardon Jose Alonso Compean and
Ignacio Ramos, who were sentenced to 12 years and 11 years, respectively,
in October. With hopes for a presidential pardon dwindling, the lawmakers had
requested that Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez assist in a motion to keep
the agents free on bond during the appeals process. But late yesterday, U..S.
District Judge Kathleen Cardone in El Paso, Texas, ruled the men must
surrender to federal marshals at 2 p.m. Mountain Time today.

"This is the worst betrayal of American defenders I have ever seen,"
Rohrabacher said of the president. "It's shameful this was done by someone
who is in the Republican Party. He obviously thinks more about his agreements
with Mexico than the lives of American people and backing up his defenders."

The California lawmaker, who has helped lead efforts to obtain a pardon,
charged the Bush administration has been playing a "cruel game." Initially, he
said, officials insisted the agents could not be pardoned because they had not
filled out the proper paperwork. But Rohrabacher told WND the White House
did not explain to the public that the agents were being required without
justification, he contended to first admit guilt.

Then, last Friday, presidential press secretary Tony Snow addressed the issue
for the first time, arguing that prior to the shooting, the agents did not know
if the smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, was an illegal alien, and they were
unaware he had about 750 pounds of {*filter*}.

Compean and Ramos say they thought the smuggler had a gun, but no
weapon was found.

The agents, Snow said, "had received arms training the day before; that said,
if you have an incident like this, you must preserve the evidence and you
must report it promptly."

"Instead," Snow continued, "according to court documents, they went around
and picked up the shell casings. Furthermore, they asked one of their
colleagues also to help pick up shell casings. They disposed of them."

'Monday-morning quarterbacking'
TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, a union
representing 1,500 agents, argued failure to report the discharge of a firearm
is an administrative offense that, at the most, merits a five-day suspension.

"How that translates into 11- and 12-year prison terms is beyond me," he told
WND. "They fired at someone they believed had a weapon. He resisted their
commands, {*filter*}ed one of the officers and then wheeled around and
pointed something at them. Logic would say it would be a weapon.

"After all the Monday-morning quarterbacking, I would have to come to the
same conclusion," Bonner said. "He's a drug smuggler, for God's sake."

The Department of Homeland Security sen

by **Bruce Collins** » Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:15:15 GMT






I've been inundated with this case when I was in Montreal by that bastion of 
journalistic integrity, Lou Dobbs on CNN. Fortunately, when I'm here in 
Toronto I don't get CNN so I get a break from Lou. This is the first that I 
heard of the particulars of the charges and I have to say that I agree with 
them.

Let's see, you have two guards who fired on a suspect because they thought 
he was armed and then when it turned out that he wasn't gathered up all the 
evidence and didn't file the report. The fact that he was later confirmed to 
be smuggling {*filter*} is irrelevant.

It's kind of like invading a country because you think they have weapons and 
then when it turns out that they didn't you switch positions and say that it 
was all justified because the leader was a bad guy.

The problem isn't really that Bush failed to pardon these guys for their 
actions, but that he expects pardon for his.

Note the following:
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Texas issued a
statement in September arguing "the defendants were prosecuted because
they had fired their weapons at a man who had attempted to surrender by
holding his open hands in the air, at which time Agent Compean attempted to
hit the man with the {*filter*}of Compean's shotgun, causing the man to run in
fear of what the agents would do to him next."

The statement said, "Although both agents saw that the man was not armed,
the agents fired at least 15 rounds at him while he was running away from
them, hitting him once."

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by **Michael Baier** » Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:56:34 GMT

Bruce,

the main disgrace is, that the DA gave a drug-dealer twice immunity.
The second disgrace is on the border-patrol for firing 15rounds with only 1 hit.
The third disgrace is, that that hit wan't even fatal.
and now the drug-dealer is suing for $5mio. very clever. he'll probably get it 
too.

Now, giving them 11 and 12 years is more than harsh. 
You can get less for {*filter*}.
==> Better weapon training and hitting the target might be usefull.

There is so much to be fixed when these 8 disastrous years are over.


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by **Denys Beauchemin** » Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:00:43 GMT

Bruce I see I bright future for you in your next career in rewriting
history.  I understand there is quite a demand for those skills in the
Deranged Dominion.

Take care.

Denys

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I've been inundated with this case when I was in Montreal by that bastion of

journalistic integrity, Lou Dobbs on CNN. Fortunately, when I'm here in 
Toronto I don't get CNN so I get a break from Lou. This is the first that I 
heard of the particulars of the charges and I have to say that I agree with 
them.

Let's see, you have two guards who fired on a suspect because they thought 
he was armed and then when it turned out that he wasn't gathered up all the 
evidence and didn't file the report. The fact that he was later confirmed to

be smuggling {*filter*} is irrelevant.

It's kind of like invading a country because you think they have weapons and

then when it turns out that they didn't you switch positions and say that it

was all justified because the leader was a bad guy.

The problem isn't really that Bush failed to pardon these guys for their 
actions, but that he expects pardon for his.

Note the following:
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Texas issued a
statement in September arguing "the defendants were prosecuted because
they had fired their weapons at a man who had attempted to surrender by
holding his open hands in the air, at which time Agent Compean attempted to
hit the man with the {*filter*}of Compean's shotgun, causing the man to run in
fear of what the agents would do to him next."

The statement said, "Although both agents saw that the man was not armed,
the agents fired at least 15 rounds at him while he was running away from
them, hitting him once."

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by **Michael Baier** » Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:21:36 GMT

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Bruce,

from what I heard and read this weekend, the above statement was given by 
the captured drug-dealer. 
According to his statement, he attempted to surrender.

This statement contradicts the statements by the border-patrol and therefore 
he was given immunity twice, that he could be a witness for the prosecution.

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