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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby John » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:55:10 GMT




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This is the link to go for REAL FLIP FLOPS 



Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby George Graves » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:32:34 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,






You say that as if the Kerry flip-flops ARE NOT real. Is that what you 
are getting at? If so, you're nuts. Before you answer, remember I am NOT 
a Bush supporter. Bush might be slightly better than Kerry, but that's 
like saying that it's better to die from a bullet in the heart than it 
is to die from bubonic plague. I prefer neither.

-- 
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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby ajbrehm » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 04:59:32 GMT






Not very impressive at all.

Much too complicated issues, some of the statements aren't even actual
contradictions (or binary contradictions).

Some are merely reactions to a changing world (like the statements about
what to do about the surplus before and after the war started).

I am not impressed.


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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby Steve Mackay » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 06:23:25 GMT






I don't think *ANYONE* can honestly believe either candidate is good.
We're seeing the 2000 race all over again. It's voting for the lesser of
two evils IMHO. I just don't like either choice.



Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby John » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 06:28:44 GMT






Of course Kerry has flip flopped.   But by an order of magnitude less than 
George W Bush. 



Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby ajbrehm » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 06:57:02 GMT








Have you actually read the examples?

Bush changed his mind about what to do with a surplus after the US were
attacked.

That compares to Kerry's I voted for it before I voted against it, which
doesn't even make sense.

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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby ajbrehm » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 06:57:04 GMT








In the 2000 race I supported Al Gore. There was no lesser of two evils.
It was clear to me that Al{*filter*}would be the better president.

That was, of course, before the war started.

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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby David Fritzinger » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:06:24 GMT

In article <1gkoybb.lgelwx1s8wjd6N% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,









Actually, Kerry voted for the bill when we would actually pay for it, 
rather than charging our children for our optional war. When it was 
decided to borrow the money, Kerry voted against the bill. 

BTW, IIRC, Bush actually threatened to veto one version of the same 
bill. Now, why doesn't he talk about that in his campaign speeches?

-- 
Dave Fritzinger

Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby George Graves » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:09:44 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,








But if you read the Bush "flip-flops" they are generally instances where 
the man simply changed his mind. You might not like what he did (such as 
the Social Security surplus business) but but he's not actually flopping 
around like a flounder in the bottom of the boat, In Kerry's case, OTOH, 
we see clearly where he went one way on an issue, changed his stance and 
went another, and then flipped back to his original stance again. I 
don't see where Bush did very much of that.

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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby George Graves » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:19:05 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,








I don't see a "lesser of two evils." I know that Bush is a terrible  
President, and Kerry is an unknown. Unfortunately, he has said nothing 
to lead me to believe that he would be any better than Bush, or even as 
"good," and I cannot vote for Bush. I'm a bit angry that I've not been 
able to vote FOR a candidate in a presidential election since Perot in 
the 1992 fracas and that was definitely a case of "fool me once, shame 
on you, fool me twice, shame on me." I did not vote for Perot in '96. Do 
you realize that if Perot hadn't run in '92, we likely wouldn't have 
gotten Clinton?

Elections are supposed to be about voting for the better man. We're in a 
situation where there is none. Doesn't bode well for the health of the 
Republic, IMHO.

-- 
George Graves
------------------

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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby John » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:24:32 GMT







Then your brain is not very impressive. 



Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby George Graves » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:25:31 GMT

In article <1gkoydp.34ww8119unjnkN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,









It wasn't clear to me. I was so tired of Clinton's shenanigans; 
careening from scandal to scandal for eight years, that I couldn't vote 
for his VP - plus I saw Algore as more leftist than Clinton, and weak to 
boot. OTOH, I took an instant dislike to Bush the first time I heard him 
speak and found that I couldn't vote for him either. That's when I 
realized that for the second straight election, I was reduced to 
writing-in presidential and vice presidential candidates. Now, I'm about 
to do it for the third straight presidential election.


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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby ajbrehm » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:41:37 GMT









John,

when did you first realise that there was a difference of intelligence
between you and those who disagree with your views?

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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby ajbrehm » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:41:38 GMT








Indeed.

And while I know what president Bush's opinion on almost any given
subject is, I cannot say the same of Kerry's opinions.

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Re: Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Postby ajbrehm » Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:41:39 GMT









Is that the reason he now gives? So is he or was he now for or against
the invasion?


Bush's position on the invasion was very clear to me the whole time. I
cannot say the same about Kerry.

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Marx Brothers Fan
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1.Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

Snit < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:

> "George Graves" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in article
>  XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 9/26/04
> 10:31 AM:
> 
> >> Terrorists were not there when Saddam was in power.   Thats is FACT!
> > 
> > Only because the feuding factions were more afraid of him and his regime
> > than they were of each other. Just as the Communists held the various
> > feuding factions in the old Czechoslovakia in ... er check for decades,
> > only to have the whole thing boil over as soon as that repressive regime
> > was removed, so Saddam kept the lid on his feuding factions until he was
> > removed as well. Can you not see that? 
> 
> So why did Bush miss it?  The idea that the removal of Saddam would lead to
> a huge mess was pretty obvious, eh?

How could it have been obvious, it's not even true,

You mistake information for facts.

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2.Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop FlipFlop Flip Flop

"Snit" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
news:BD7C6F30.7347% XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
> "Andrew J. Brehm" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in article
> 1gkqlng.1q3qnp714rergsN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 9/26/04 12:20 PM:
>
> > Snit < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> >
> >> "Andrew J. Brehm" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in article
> >> 1gkql3m.ij8bg46kqlrxN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 9/26/04 12:07 PM:
> >>
> >>> forge < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <1gkqa65.1iat0ei1ykisqaN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
> >>>>   XXXX@XXXXX.COM  (Andrew J. Brehm) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> So the slaughtering of thousands of Iraqis every year was not a
problem
> >>>>> for you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Concerned me somewhat - are any fewer Iraqis dying now than there
were
> >>>> then?
> >>>
> >>> According to the numbers in the news, yes.
> >>>
> >>> Of course the number of deaths caused by Saddam was not mentioned
quite
> >>> as often.
> >>
> >> From Saddam or from the sanctions...
> >
> > Saddam was responsible for using the resources he could access. Unless
> > you can make a good case that the UN deliberately didn't allow for Iraq
> > to import what Iraq needed, it will be Saddam who is to blame.
>
> I need make no such argument to show how the sanctions existed and how
they
> affected the people of Iraq.
> >
> >>>> And here's the kicker - what about all the people dying in Africa, in
> >>>> Central Europe, in ahem, Russia, in Korea, in Indonesia, in India? Do
they
> >>>> just not matter? We don't give a fuck about them right? Why not?
> >>>
> >>> Very few of them run countries capable of producing WMDs.
> >>
> >> Can you support that claim?
> >
> > Yes. India is a democracy, and so is Russia (to an extent). Indonesia
> > doesn't have a MWD program, as far as is known.
>
> Russia does.  N. Korea may.  Pointing to countries where they probably do
> not does not support your claim.
> >
> >> Seems that N. Korea seems quite capable.
> >
> > Indeed. And I wished China would finally do something about it.
>
> Why China and not the US?

Because then you and the news and your democrat friends will complain about
that as well.

>


3.Top Ten Kerry Debate Flip Flops

ONE: Claimed l Never Give A Veto To Any Country Over Our Security.
(Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    Preemption Must Pass lobal TestFirst.  o president, through
    all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right
    to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of
    America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way
    that passes the 	test, that passes the global test where your
    countrymen, your people understand fully why youe doing what youe
    doing and you can prove to 	the world that you did it for legitimate
    reasons. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL,
    9/30/04) 

    Kerry Would Wait On French And Russians To Defend America.  SEN.
    JOHN KERRY:  would have done what was necessary to know that you had
    exhausted the available remedies with the French and the Russians.
    (MSNBC ardball,10/20/03) 

TWO: Claimed eason For Going To War Was Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Not
The Removal Of Saddam Hussein.  (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential
Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Said reatest ThreatWas Saddam iscalculation,Not
    	ctualWMDs.  KERRY:  would disagree with John McCain that it     
	the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it     
	what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation     
	about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel.     
	Those are the things that that I think present the greatest danger.     
	He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist     
	groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United     
	States. It the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat.     
	(CBSace The Nation,9/15/02) 

THREE: Claimed his President Has Made, I Regret To Say, A Colossal Error
Of Judgment. And Judgment Is What We Look For In The President Of The
United States Of America. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate,
Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Questioned Judgment Of Those Claiming Saddam Capture Didn
    	Help U.S. Security.  hose who doubted whether Iraq or the world     
	would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today     
	that we are not safer with his capture don have the judgment to be     
	president or the credibility to be elected president. (CNN     
	apital Gang,12/20/03; Anne Q. Hoy, ean Faces More Criticism,    
	[New York] Newsday, 12/17/03) 

FOUR: Complained e Are 90 Percent Of The Casualties And 90 Percent Of
The Cost: $200 Billion $200 Billion That Could Have Been Used For Health
Care, For Schools, For Construction, For Prescription Drugs For Seniors,
And It In Iraq. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami,
FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Pledged To Fund Reconstruction With hatever NumberOf Dollars     
	It Took.  NBC TIM RUSSERT: o you believe that we should reduce     
	funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq? SEN.     
	JOHN KERRY: o. I think we should increase it. RUSSERT: ncrease     
	funding?KERRY: es. RUSSERT: y how much? KERRY: y whatever     
	number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the     
	United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim. (NBC eet     
	The Press,8/31/03)

FIVE: Claimed ou Don Send Troops To War Without The Body Armor That
They Need. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL,
9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Said It Would Be Reckless And rresponsibleTo Vote Against     
	Funding For Troops.  LOS ANGELES TIMESDOYLE McMANUS: f that     
	amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?     
	KERRY:  don think any United States senator is going to abandon     
	our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result     
	of simply cutting and running. That irresponsible. What is     
	responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I     
	am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the     
	American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think     
	could give the American people a sense that theye on the right     
	track. There a way to do this properly. But I don think anyone in     
	the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our     
	troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. Wee not going to     
	cut and run and not do the job. (CBSace The Nation,9/14/03) 

    	Kerry Voted Against Senate Passage Of Iraq/Afghanistan Reconstruction     
	Package That Included oney For Body Armor For Soldiers.(S. 1689,     
	CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry     
	Voted Nay; ighlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures,The Associated     
	Press, 10/17/03) 

    	I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It,    
	[Kerry] Said.Glen Johnson, erry Blasts Bush On Protecting Troops,    
	The Boston Globe, 3/17/04) 

SIX: Said Americans In Iraq Not Dying For istake. PBSJIM LEHRER:
re Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake? KERRY: o, and they
don have to, providing we have the leadership that we put that I
offering. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL,
9/30/04) 

    	Earlier In Debate, Kerry Called Iraq War istake. e can leave a     
	failed Iraq. But that doesn mean it wasn a mistake of judgment to     
	go there and take the focus off of Osama bin Laden. It was. (Sen.     
	John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	ut The President Made A Mistake In Invading Iraq. (Sen. John     
	Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

SEVEN: Said Knowing What He Knows Now, ould NotHave Authorized Use Of
Force.  hat I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the
president has just sort of described one kind of mistake. But what he has
said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even
knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection
with al Qaeda, he would still have done everything the same way. Those are
his words.  Now, I would not. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential
Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Said Knowing What He Knows Now, ould Have Voted For The Authority.     
	SEN. JOHN KERRY: es, I would have voted for the authority. I believe     
	it the right authority for a president to have. But I would have     
	used that authority as I have said throughout this campaign,     
	effectively. I would have done this very differently from the way     
	President Bush has.(CNN nside Politics,8/9/04) 

EIGHT: Claimed he President Says That I Denigrating These Troops. I
Have Nothing But Respect For The British, Tony Blair, And For What Theye
Been Willing To Do.  (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami,
FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Dismissed Coalition Partners As indow DressingAnd Claimed     
	Theye Not Sharing Burden Of War And Reconstruction.  CNN BILL     
	HEMMER: he White House would say that dozens of countries are     
	helping now in the effort on the ground in Iraq and they are engaged     
	with the U.N., as well, how would more international involvement     
	prevent the violence wee seeing today? SEN. JOHN KERRY: ell, the     
	fact is that those countries are really window dressing to the     
	greatest degree. And they weren there in the beginning when we went     
	in, and theye not carrying the cost of this war. (CNN merican     
	Morning,3/2/04) 

NINE: Claimed e Had One Position, One Consistent Position, That Saddam
Hussein Was A Threat. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate,
Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Said, e Now Know That Iraq Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction,     
	And Posed No Imminent Threat To Our Security. (Sen. John Kerry,     
	Remarks At New York University, New York, NY, 9/20/04) 

TEN: Claimed y Position Has Been Consistent: Saddam Hussein Is A Threat.
He Needed To Be Disarmed. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate,
Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	aying There Are Weapons Of Mass Destruction In Iraq Doesn Make It     
	So. (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks To Democrat National Convention,     
	Boston, MA, 7/29/04) 

    	 Have Always Said We May Yet Even Find Weapons Of Mass Destruction.     
	(Fox Newsox News Sunday,12/14/03) 

4.OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

5.Top Ten Bush Debate Flip Flops

GreyCloud  < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
>
>
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>> Gactimus  < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
>> 
>>>"ouroboros rex" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in
>>>news:cjkb1m$8q8$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM : 
>>>
>>>
>>>> Same lies different day.  Where'd you steal this from?
>>>
>>>All direct quotes from Kerry.
>> 
>> 
>> Except for your lies about what he said, gack.
>> 
>
>Ol Ray here still believes that denial is a river in egypt.

And you beleive everything that Bush and his brownshirts say.

-- 
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