Kerry - In His Own Words George W Bush - Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop

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Again, you fail to realize the nature of tribal cultures. A Muslim is 
just a Muslim until someone from another culture comes and kills his 
brother or mother or uncle; then he is a "terrorist."

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Iraq before the invasion was *contained.* We had an international 
coalition of governments united to guarantee that. Bush {*filter*}ed that 
whole thing in the ass.

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This is mostly a result of the fact that Bush's simplistic view of the 
world fits better into 7-second sound bites. He's the perfect candidate 
for the fast food generation.

-- 
"I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today.... He married
a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West Texas
girl, just like me."
                       -- George W. Bush in Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

I am sorry, but I believe that Muslims are just as capable of living in
a civilized manner as everybody else on this planet. The terrorists did
not appear out of thin air, they were there all the time. They have just
become more visible now.

Not challenging the terrorists is denial, it doesn't solve the problem.
Fighting and killing them does.


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Using that definition, all war is ever a quagmire. You simply deny the
fact that all wars end at some point. Why did you think that this would
be over quickly and wouldn't be a success if it takes a few years?


No. There has been fighting and killing in the region for decades. The
difference is merely that it has become more visible now.

You mistake information for fact.

But let's assume that the terrorists did appear out of thin air. A small
price to pay for the sudden disappearance of the Hussein fascists, isn't
it?


No, they are the same. The hate is the same. The 911 terrorists merely
had more time to plan their attack since they weren't engaged in smaller
fights against the US army, as the terrorists are now.




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Finding statements of Kerry's supporting either position is not
difficult. My problem is, which position does he actually hold?

KERRY: "George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had
given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right
decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the
decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm
him." (ABC News Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Columbia, SC,
5/3/03) 

And I don't seem to be the only one who is confused:

SEN. JOE LIEBERMAN (D-CT): "[B]oth have sent an uncertain message, one
in principled opposition to the war, Governor Dean. The other an
ambivalence about the war, which does not - will not give the people
confidence about our party's willingness to make the tough decisions to
protect their security in a world after September 11." (ABC News
Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/3/03) 

If you find that pretty clear, go vote for Kerry, by all means.

But I am simply not sure whether Kerry does not support a "unilateral
U.S. war" or whether he thinks it was "the right decision".



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So the slaughtering of thousands of Iraqis every year was not a problem
for you?

And the eventual removal of sanctions and possible rise of Iraq
afterwards was not a problem for you either?

It was for Kerry at the time:

KERRY: "I would disagree with John McCain that it's the actual weapons
of mass destruction he may use against us, it's what he may do in
another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a
miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things
that - that I think present the greatest danger. He may even
miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite
them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the
miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (CBS' "Face The Nation,"
9/15/02) 

A smart man, Kerry was, at the time.


No, you didn't. France and Russia were working to end the sanctions and
the containment.


Why do you believe that removing the sanctions constitutes containment?

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It is a result of the fact that George Bush was completely clear about
the invasion. He said he would invade and he did.

Kerry has said both that he supported the invasion and that he does not,
both that Saddam was a threat and could give WMDs to terrorists and that
this could not have happened.

Bush's simplistic view of the world will eventually turn Iraq into a
modern democracy.

What does Kerry do for the world?

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That is an extremely simple question to answer.

If Kerry is speaking to a group of anti-war people...he's against the 
war in Iraq.

If Kerry is speaking to a group of people that support what we are doing 
in Iraq, he is for it.


I don't see any problem in seeing where Kerry stands on the issue.


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Not make stupid mistakes like George W Bush did that WASTED 200 Billion 
dollars ands over 1000 lives.  And FAILED to make the world a safer place 
since Saddam was only replaced by thousands of terrorists. 

That seems to be it exactly, yes.

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Since Saddam killed many more than a 1000 lifes every year, I don't
consider the money wasted.

I suggest you read up on Iraq's and Saddam's history before you make any
further comments on the current situation in Iraq.

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It was over 1000 AMERICAN LIVES YOU FOREIGN IMBECILE! 

Oh, I _am_ sorry. Since I am a stupid foreign imbecile and not a real
human being, I didn't realise that these were "AMERICAN LIVES", which
are obviously completely different from mere normal human lives, like
Iraqi or Arab lives.

I can't believe that European anti-Americanism is directed at pro-war
Americans and not against Americans like you!

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Only because the feuding factions were more afraid of him and his regime 
than they were of each other. Just as the Communists held the various 
feuding factions in the old Czechoslovakia in ... er check for decades, 
only to have the whole thing boil over as soon as that repressive regime 
was removed, so Saddam kept the lid on his feuding factions until he was 
removed as well. Can you not see that?

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George Graves
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