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"Snit" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
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> "Andrew J. Brehm" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in article
> 1gkqlng.1q3qnp714rergsN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 9/26/04 12:20 PM:
>
> > Snit < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> >
> >> "Andrew J. Brehm" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in article
> >> 1gkql3m.ij8bg46kqlrxN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 9/26/04 12:07 PM:
> >>
> >>> forge < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <1gkqa65.1iat0ei1ykisqaN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
> >>>>   XXXX@XXXXX.COM  (Andrew J. Brehm) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> So the slaughtering of thousands of Iraqis every year was not a
problem
> >>>>> for you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Concerned me somewhat - are any fewer Iraqis dying now than there
were
> >>>> then?
> >>>
> >>> According to the numbers in the news, yes.
> >>>
> >>> Of course the number of deaths caused by Saddam was not mentioned
quite
> >>> as often.
> >>
> >> From Saddam or from the sanctions...
> >
> > Saddam was responsible for using the resources he could access. Unless
> > you can make a good case that the UN deliberately didn't allow for Iraq
> > to import what Iraq needed, it will be Saddam who is to blame.
>
> I need make no such argument to show how the sanctions existed and how
they
> affected the people of Iraq.
> >
> >>>> And here's the kicker - what about all the people dying in Africa, in
> >>>> Central Europe, in ahem, Russia, in Korea, in Indonesia, in India? Do
they
> >>>> just not matter? We don't give a fuck about them right? Why not?
> >>>
> >>> Very few of them run countries capable of producing WMDs.
> >>
> >> Can you support that claim?
> >
> > Yes. India is a democracy, and so is Russia (to an extent). Indonesia
> > doesn't have a MWD program, as far as is known.
>
> Russia does.  N. Korea may.  Pointing to countries where they probably do
> not does not support your claim.
> >
> >> Seems that N. Korea seems quite capable.
> >
> > Indeed. And I wished China would finally do something about it.
>
> Why China and not the US?

Because then you and the news and your democrat friends will complain about
that as well.

>

3.Top Ten Kerry Debate Flip Flops

ONE: Claimed l Never Give A Veto To Any Country Over Our Security.
(Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    Preemption Must Pass lobal TestFirst.  o president, through
    all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right
    to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of
    America. But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way
    that passes the 	test, that passes the global test where your
    countrymen, your people understand fully why youe doing what youe
    doing and you can prove to 	the world that you did it for legitimate
    reasons. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL,
    9/30/04) 

    Kerry Would Wait On French And Russians To Defend America.  SEN.
    JOHN KERRY:  would have done what was necessary to know that you had
    exhausted the available remedies with the French and the Russians.
    (MSNBC ardball,10/20/03) 

TWO: Claimed eason For Going To War Was Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Not
The Removal Of Saddam Hussein.  (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential
Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Said reatest ThreatWas Saddam iscalculation,Not
    	ctualWMDs.  KERRY:  would disagree with John McCain that it     
	the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it     
	what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation     
	about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel.     
	Those are the things that that I think present the greatest danger.     
	He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist     
	groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United     
	States. It the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat.     
	(CBSace The Nation,9/15/02) 

THREE: Claimed his President Has Made, I Regret To Say, A Colossal Error
Of Judgment. And Judgment Is What We Look For In The President Of The
United States Of America. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate,
Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Questioned Judgment Of Those Claiming Saddam Capture Didn
    	Help U.S. Security.  hose who doubted whether Iraq or the world     
	would be better off without Saddam Hussein and those who believe today     
	that we are not safer with his capture don have the judgment to be     
	president or the credibility to be elected president. (CNN     
	apital Gang,12/20/03; Anne Q. Hoy, ean Faces More Criticism,    
	[New York] Newsday, 12/17/03) 

FOUR: Complained e Are 90 Percent Of The Casualties And 90 Percent Of
The Cost: $200 Billion $200 Billion That Could Have Been Used For Health
Care, For Schools, For Construction, For Prescription Drugs For Seniors,
And It In Iraq. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami,
FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Pledged To Fund Reconstruction With hatever NumberOf Dollars     
	It Took.  NBC TIM RUSSERT: o you believe that we should reduce     
	funding that we are now providing for the operation in Iraq? SEN.     
	JOHN KERRY: o. I think we should increase it. RUSSERT: ncrease     
	funding?KERRY: es. RUSSERT: y how much? KERRY: y whatever     
	number of billions of dollars it takes to win. It is critical that the     
	United States of America be successful in Iraq, Tim. (NBC eet     
	The Press,8/31/03)

FIVE: Claimed ou Don Send Troops To War Without The Body Armor That
They Need. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL,
9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Said It Would Be Reckless And rresponsibleTo Vote Against     
	Funding For Troops.  LOS ANGELES TIMESDOYLE McMANUS: f that     
	amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?     
	KERRY:  don think any United States senator is going to abandon     
	our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result     
	of simply cutting and running. That irresponsible. What is     
	responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I     
	am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the     
	American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think     
	could give the American people a sense that theye on the right     
	track. There a way to do this properly. But I don think anyone in     
	the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our     
	troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. Wee not going to     
	cut and run and not do the job. (CBSace The Nation,9/14/03) 

    	Kerry Voted Against Senate Passage Of Iraq/Afghanistan Reconstruction     
	Package That Included oney For Body Armor For Soldiers.(S. 1689,     
	CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry     
	Voted Nay; ighlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures,The Associated     
	Press, 10/17/03) 

    	I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It,    
	[Kerry] Said.Glen Johnson, erry Blasts Bush On Protecting Troops,    
	The Boston Globe, 3/17/04) 

SIX: Said Americans In Iraq Not Dying For istake. PBSJIM LEHRER:
re Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake? KERRY: o, and they
don have to, providing we have the leadership that we put that I
offering. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL,
9/30/04) 

    	Earlier In Debate, Kerry Called Iraq War istake. e can leave a     
	failed Iraq. But that doesn mean it wasn a mistake of judgment to     
	go there and take the focus off of Osama bin Laden. It was. (Sen.     
	John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	ut The President Made A Mistake In Invading Iraq. (Sen. John     
	Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

SEVEN: Said Knowing What He Knows Now, ould NotHave Authorized Use Of
Force.  hat I think troubles a lot of people in our country is that the
president has just sort of described one kind of mistake. But what he has
said is that, even knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, even
knowing there was no imminent threat, even knowing there was no connection
with al Qaeda, he would still have done everything the same way. Those are
his words.  Now, I would not. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential
Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Said Knowing What He Knows Now, ould Have Voted For The Authority.     
	SEN. JOHN KERRY: es, I would have voted for the authority. I believe     
	it the right authority for a president to have. But I would have     
	used that authority as I have said throughout this campaign,     
	effectively. I would have done this very differently from the way     
	President Bush has.(CNN nside Politics,8/9/04) 

EIGHT: Claimed he President Says That I Denigrating These Troops. I
Have Nothing But Respect For The British, Tony Blair, And For What Theye
Been Willing To Do.  (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami,
FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Dismissed Coalition Partners As indow DressingAnd Claimed     
	Theye Not Sharing Burden Of War And Reconstruction.  CNN BILL     
	HEMMER: he White House would say that dozens of countries are     
	helping now in the effort on the ground in Iraq and they are engaged     
	with the U.N., as well, how would more international involvement     
	prevent the violence wee seeing today? SEN. JOHN KERRY: ell, the     
	fact is that those countries are really window dressing to the     
	greatest degree. And they weren there in the beginning when we went     
	in, and theye not carrying the cost of this war. (CNN merican     
	Morning,3/2/04) 

NINE: Claimed e Had One Position, One Consistent Position, That Saddam
Hussein Was A Threat. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate,
Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	Kerry Said, e Now Know That Iraq Had No Weapons Of Mass Destruction,     
	And Posed No Imminent Threat To Our Security. (Sen. John Kerry,     
	Remarks At New York University, New York, NY, 9/20/04) 

TEN: Claimed y Position Has Been Consistent: Saddam Hussein Is A Threat.
He Needed To Be Disarmed. (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate,
Miami, FL, 9/30/04) 

    	aying There Are Weapons Of Mass Destruction In Iraq Doesn Make It     
	So. (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks To Democrat National Convention,     
	Boston, MA, 7/29/04) 

    	 Have Always Said We May Yet Even Find Weapons Of Mass Destruction.     
	(Fox Newsox News Sunday,12/14/03) 

4.OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

5.Top Ten Bush Debate Flip Flops

GreyCloud  < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
>
>
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>> Gactimus  < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
>> 
>>>"ouroboros rex" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in
>>>news:cjkb1m$8q8$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM : 
>>>
>>>
>>>> Same lies different day.  Where'd you steal this from?
>>>
>>>All direct quotes from Kerry.
>> 
>> 
>> Except for your lies about what he said, gack.
>> 
>
>Ol Ray here still believes that denial is a river in egypt.

And you beleive everything that Bush and his brownshirts say.

-- 
Ray Fischer         
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