OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

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OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Snit » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:07:18 GMT

Just heard Bush's comments right after he voted.

He said that he has faith in the people that they will make the right
decision, and then he flip flopped and said he was confident he would win.

Which is it George?


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Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby George Graves » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:58:59 GMT

In article <BDACFEC6.E89D% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




The right decision would be "none of the above."

-- 
George Graves
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John Kerry - Betraying America Since 1971

Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Snit » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:27:43 GMT

"George Graves" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in post
 XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 11/2/04
10:58 AM:



Funny you should say that - have you been listening to Rush recently... he
has been going on and on about how nobody likes Kerry and that *anyone* or
even *no one* would do just as well against Bush.

Even Rush seems to know that "none of the above" would have a good chance of
beating Bush.


-- 
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone ( http://www.**--****.com/ )





Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Phil Earnhardt » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 04:41:41 GMT

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:07:18 -0700, Snit < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >




Before Senator John Kerry announced his reaction to the OBL video, he
took a poll that asked how people thought he should respond to it.

Taking that poll says everything you need to know about John Kerry.

--phil


Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Lloyd Parsons » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 06:44:51 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Phil Earnhardt




While I'm not all that hot about polls as the data and questions are
much too easily manipulated to reach a pre-conceived conclusion, is it
better to take a poll a gather information, or just 'go with your gut',
which is just about the only way Bush does things.

Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Phil Earnhardt » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:43:49 GMT

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 21:44:51 GMT, Lloyd Parsons




Really? I think GW Bush can most definitely go with his gut feeling on
OBL. His response was right on.

What exactly was it that you think Senator John Kerry needed to learn
from poll before he could issue a statement? What would he possibly
learn from interviewing a group of citizens before he could
competently respond to the video?

--phil


Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Lloyd Parsons » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:24:05 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Phil Earnhardt




Correct,  his gut was right that time.  But then he decided to go to
Iraq.  Must've had indigestion that day!

I didn't say anything about what he could get from it, nor did I say
that polling would be accurate or even needed.  What I was saying was
that Kerry is willing to listen to opposing points of view in his
decision making process.  All indications are that with Bush, there is
little if any, opposing points presented or considered.

Around here we call that bullheadedness, politicos call it 'steadfast'.

Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby George Graves » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:38:26 GMT

In article <BDAD1FAF.E93F% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,





Your reading comprehension problem rears it's ugly head once more. I 
didn't say that even 'None of the above' would have a good chance of 
beating Bush, I said that NONE OF THE ABOVE is the best choice. In case 
you are too stupid to understand me, NONE OF THE ABOVE INCLUDES THE 
{*filter*} KNOWN AS KERRY AS WELL AS THE IDIOT KNOWN AS BUSH!

-- 
George Graves
------------------

John Kerry - Betraying America Since 1971

Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Snit » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:37:15 GMT

"George Graves" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in post
 XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 11/2/04
6:38 PM:


Wow... funny how in a post where you make allegations about some reading
comprehension problem you think I have, you demonstrate how you did not
understand what I wrote.

I was talking about Rush, not you.  I did not say that you and Rush
agreed... I was merely pointing out something I found amusing that was
somewhat related to what you said...

I never said you said "none of the above" would have a good chance against
Bush, I said Rush said "none of the above" would have a good chance against
Bush, and you said I said "none of the above" would have a good chance
against Bush, which was in error.  And then you accuse me of having poor
reading comprehension.

This is why I ask you to support your claims.  When you actually do try to,
not only do you fail to show your accusations against me are accurate, you
often show, as in this case, that they apply more to you than to me.

Maybe if you type with more caps, however, your claim will become more
convincing?  That is what you were trying to do... RIGHT?


-- 
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone ( http://www.**--****.com/ )





Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Steve Carroll » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:04:26 GMT

In article <BDAD926B.EA2E% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




He understood what you implied. Of course, no one ever accused you of 
understanding the implications of your own words, have they, Snit:)

-- 
Steve C

Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Phil Earnhardt » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:54:28 GMT

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:24:05 GMT, Lloyd Parsons




It's your opinion that invading Iraq was wrong.

I'll repeat the quesiton again: given the push by France to remove all
the sanctions and the clear indications that Saddam would re-start his
WMD programs after the sanctios were lifted, why do you conclude that
this was the "wrong time" to invade Iraq?

When in heaven's name would ahve been the right time?

You are second-guessing the actions of Bush; you should be able to
make these proclamations with clarity and reasoning.


THen why the hell did he do a poll on that?


He did it! He clearly spent the money and the effort. Why?

It looks so horrendously bad to do something like this. Kerry is so
removed from reality he has to *run a poll* on this to know what to
say?????


And what decision was that?

WHat in heaven's name are you talking aoubt? WHat were the options?
What opposing points of view would there possibly be?


WRT how to react to an OBL video, there is not a single opposing point
that you need presented or considered.

Any true American with a spine would know how to react.

Any poser would have to .... run a poll to know how react.


To know how to react to an OBL video? Are you kidding?


--phil


Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby George Graves » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:33:06 GMT

In article <BDAD926B.EA2E% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




Can't you respond to the topic? I thought not.

-- 
George Graves
------------------

John Kerry - Betraying America Since 1971

Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Snit » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:55:30 GMT

George Graves" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in post
XXXX@XXXXX.COM on 11/2/04
11:33 PM:


Which topic? Your view of "none of the above"... which I have nothing to
add to... you are welcome to your idea... Rush's view of "none of the above"
which I find funny and you jumped to off-the-wall assumptions about, your
unsupported accusations, or your reading comprehension problems?

All those topics have now been pretty much covered. Which did you want a
more complete response about?

--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)





Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Lloyd Parsons » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:47:16 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Phil Earnhardt




And France could have lifted those sanctions on its own?  Not hardly
and we weren't leaning towards it at all.  Hence, by your own thinking,
the WMD program wasn't going to be restarted.

Since Saddam had NO ability to harm anyone but his own people, maybe
never.  Kind of like Castro, just let him sit there and fester.

Maybe it is second guessing, but with all the lies that were
perpertrated to take us there, maybe more should have been doing some
second guessing.

I was and am fully behind Bush on going into Afghanistan, it made
sense, it was the right response.

I was and am fully not behind Bush's rush to war with Iraq.  I was
against it the first time he started yammering in that direction.  The
logical place to go after Afghanistan would have been Saudi Arabia
where all the 9-11 terrorists came from, and where it appears at least
some of the money came from.

Re: OT: *Another* Bush Flip Flop!

Postby Phil Earnhardt » Fri, 05 Nov 2004 01:31:44 GMT

n Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:47:16 GMT, Lloyd Parsons
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:


The sanctions were indeed becoming less popular. There were protests
about removing them in the US.

Saddam had even had someone in the US make a documentary about
removing the sanctions. Guess what: it was funded by stolen funds from
the "Oil for Food" program. How ironic.


Popularity for the sanctions was indeed waning.


Not with Bush in office. But it would have been a strong likelihood if
a candidate with less resolve had gotten in the White House.


Well?

When exactly would have been the right time to remove Saddam -- the
guy who failed to honor the terms that suspended military activity of
the Gulf War?


What a strange statement. That's all that was necessary to get a force
to go in and remove Milosevic -- a dictator that was {*filter*}ing his own
people.

Why the different rules now?


...and accumultate billions to bribe world officials, the UN, acquire
weapons, and have his own people starve and die because of the theft
of those same funds.

No thanks.


What lies? Or are you equating failures of intlligence with "lying"?


Then I'll repeat the question you failed to address:

WHen in heaven's name would have been the right time?


IYESHO.

Saddam failed to honor the terms of the Armistice of the Gulf War. He
failed to honor the terms of over a dozen UN resolutions -- including
UN 1441, the "last chance" resolution. He did this over the span of
twelve years.

People who call the process to remove Saddam "rushed" clearly have a
different relationship with reality.

How many years would have been enough? 15? 20?

How many UN resolutions? 15? 20?


Do you get this?

Are you starting to realize how absurd it was for Kerry to launch a
poll to see how he should react to the video?


Well???

--phil


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Snit < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:

> "George Graves" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in article
>  XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 9/26/04
> 10:31 AM:
> 
> >> Terrorists were not there when Saddam was in power.   Thats is FACT!
> > 
> > Only because the feuding factions were more afraid of him and his regime
> > than they were of each other. Just as the Communists held the various
> > feuding factions in the old Czechoslovakia in ... er check for decades,
> > only to have the whole thing boil over as soon as that repressive regime
> > was removed, so Saddam kept the lid on his feuding factions until he was
> > removed as well. Can you not see that? 
> 
> So why did Bush miss it?  The idea that the removal of Saddam would lead to
> a huge mess was pretty obvious, eh?

How could it have been obvious, it's not even true,

You mistake information for facts.

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"Snit" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message
news:BD7C6F30.7347% XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
> "Andrew J. Brehm" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in article
> 1gkqlng.1q3qnp714rergsN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 9/26/04 12:20 PM:
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> > Snit < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> >
> >> "Andrew J. Brehm" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in article
> >> 1gkql3m.ij8bg46kqlrxN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM  on 9/26/04 12:07 PM:
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> >>> forge < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <1gkqa65.1iat0ei1ykisqaN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
> >>>>   XXXX@XXXXX.COM  (Andrew J. Brehm) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> So the slaughtering of thousands of Iraqis every year was not a
problem
> >>>>> for you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Concerned me somewhat - are any fewer Iraqis dying now than there
were
> >>>> then?
> >>>
> >>> According to the numbers in the news, yes.
> >>>
> >>> Of course the number of deaths caused by Saddam was not mentioned
quite
> >>> as often.
> >>
> >> From Saddam or from the sanctions...
> >
> > Saddam was responsible for using the resources he could access. Unless
> > you can make a good case that the UN deliberately didn't allow for Iraq
> > to import what Iraq needed, it will be Saddam who is to blame.
>
> I need make no such argument to show how the sanctions existed and how
they
> affected the people of Iraq.
> >
> >>>> And here's the kicker - what about all the people dying in Africa, in
> >>>> Central Europe, in ahem, Russia, in Korea, in Indonesia, in India? Do
they
> >>>> just not matter? We don't give a fuck about them right? Why not?
> >>>
> >>> Very few of them run countries capable of producing WMDs.
> >>
> >> Can you support that claim?
> >
> > Yes. India is a democracy, and so is Russia (to an extent). Indonesia
> > doesn't have a MWD program, as far as is known.
>
> Russia does.  N. Korea may.  Pointing to countries where they probably do
> not does not support your claim.
> >
> >> Seems that N. Korea seems quite capable.
> >
> > Indeed. And I wished China would finally do something about it.
>
> Why China and not the US?

Because then you and the news and your democrat friends will complain about
that as well.

>


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>>>
>>>> Same lies different day.  Where'd you steal this from?
>>>
>>>All direct quotes from Kerry.
>> 
>> 
>> Except for your lies about what he said, gack.
>> 
>
>Ol Ray here still believes that denial is a river in egypt.

And you beleive everything that Bush and his brownshirts say.

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