10.3.5 Slowdown


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10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Dan Becker » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:51:20 GMT

733 Quicksilver G4, 640 MB RAM (two PC133-333, original 128 and a 512

Since upgrading to 10.3.5, I've completely lost the snappiness of the
machine I enjoyed prior to this. Slow to log-on to user accounts (set
up for multiple users), program start-up is sludgy, no matter what it
is, lots of brief spinning beachball, occasional longer spins. Even
logging out is slow. But no kernal panics.

Restarting hasn't made any difference.

Any suggestions for what to look for?


Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Sander Tekelenburg » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:43:05 GMT

In article <210820041651199529% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

As always, use Disk UItility to check if your disk is OK. And before and 
after every system update, use Disk Utility to repair permissions.

Sander Tekelenburg, < http://www.**--****.com/ ~tekelenb/>

Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!"
PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!"

Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby James Meiss » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:43:39 GMT

In article <210820041651199529% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Have you tried the usual
a) Run Disk Utility, Repair Disk Permissions
b) Use a utility like Onyx to delete system & user Cache files.
c) Run fsck from single user mode, or Disk Utility (Repair disk) from a 
System startup CD and check the directory structure and if that fails 
d) Techtool or DiskWarrior to rebuild/optimize the directory

10.3.5 is snappy for me.

James Meiss
< http://www.**--****.com/ ;

Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Dan Becker » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:12:07 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, James

Did that.

Don't have such a utility.

This will be my next step, thanks. After running permissions repair (no
problems noted), I forgot to proceed to repairing disk.

Sigh, after Disk Utility, I guess spending money is the next step...


Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Wes Groleau » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:06:23 GMT

If the slowdown is merely from updating to 10.3.5, how can it
be this?

My 10.3.5 is as fast as 10.3.4 _except_ for logging in,
launching apps, and logging out.  AND, the system_log shows
that the update somehow disabled the pre_binding.

Wes Groleau

    "A man with an experience is never
     at the mercy of a man with an argument."
                       -- Ron Allen

Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Steven Fisher » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:10:06 GMT

In article <210820041651199529% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Disk space?

Steven Fisher;  XXXX@XXXXX.COM 
"Morituri Nolumus Mori."

Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Abbott » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:52:18 GMT

I noticed the same thing with my AlPB. In addition, memory usage was 

Repairing Permissions, etc., didn't help.

Then I booted from the OS Install Disc and ran Disk Utility from it. 
That enabled me to repair the PB's boot volume as well as its 
permissions. Now all is well.


In article <210820041651199529% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby user » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:21:32 GMT

I am trying to resurrect an G3 iBook that was given to me. 

It did nothing but crash crash crash.  So I spent $200 for 512 mgs of 
Mac memory. 
Same thing.  Crash crash crash. 

It turns out the built in memory is often overlooked during boot up. I 
am pretty sure that that is what's causing the crashing.  But I have no 
idea why memory would be seen or missed, intermittently during a boot up.

What kills me is the the complete durth of information on the mac.com 
website.   I get the feeling that they want you to pay for everything.   
What fun is that?


Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Tony Soprano » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:36:23 GMT

In article <gGRVc.4195$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Mac.com isn't good for very much.

Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby PeterG » Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:32:14 GMT

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:12:07 +0100, Dan Becker scribbled by his own 
(in article <210820041812074099% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >):


Onyx is free...

.. < http://www.**--****.com/ ;

PeterG. (aka Lobo)

Remove MEATFREEspamblock to reply to this vegetarian.

Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby {STP} » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:56:35 GMT

In article <cg9p78$qnp$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Did work. Not found.


Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Dan Becker » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:22:36 GMT

In article <cg9p78$qnp$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, PeterG

Well, of course after posting, I went looking and I found it at
Versiontracker as freeware.

After booting from CD and running Disk Utilities on the boot volume,
and after using the utilities in OnyX to empty all the caches...

...I'm seeing no change. So keep those suggestions coming!


Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Dan Becker » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:23:22 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

It's not that. 40GB disk, only about 10.5 used.


Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby Nick Landsberg » Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:47:01 GMT


Has anyone suggested that you may have some app eating
up CPU somewhere in the background?

This has happened to me several times and most often
it was "classic" which was the culprit.

I would suggest opening a terminal window and running the
following from a command prompt:

top -ocpu -R -F -s 15 -n30

This will list the "top" processes using up CPU on
your system in descending order, every 15 seconds.

If you find such a process, try to figure out what it is
(it isn't necessarily the name you know it by, for
example, "classic" shows up as "TruBlueEnv" in the
(partial) listing below, the others are more or less

   431 Terminal     6.7% 19:21.27   5
  2555 TruBlueEnv   4.7%  2:25:49  14
  2762 mozilla-bi   3.8% 15:26.72  10
   186 WindowServ   2.7% 97:08.26   2
  2771 Yahoo! Mes   1.1%  1:26.42   7
     0 kernel_tas   1.1% 83:43.45  37
  1808 top          0.2%  8:10.99   1
   975 System Eve   0.1%  3:56.85   1
   415 MultiMeter   0.1%  9:57.62   3
   317 cupsd        0.1%  1:40.31   1
   392 SystemUISe   0.0% 39:16.52   1

Once you've identified the offending process,
then I would suggest trying to stop it
normally.  Give it time.  The SPOD probably
means that it won't respond to the command
very quickly.  At that point I would
find the various "plist" (preferences files)
for the process, and either remove them or
rename them to something else.  (Yes, one
of the mantras around here, just after
"fix permissions," is "remove the preferences
files for the bad app.")

Hope this helps.


P.S. - If you can't stop the process from the
UI you will have to resort to stopping it
via terminal.  If there is a runaway process
that is.

"It is impossible to make anything foolproof
because fools are so ingenious"
  - A. Bloch

Re: 10.3.5 Slowdown

Postby jonesr » Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:40:37 GMT

Are you booting classic every time you boot OS X?

I suggest not opening classic until you are running a classic app, which will
happen if you keep the classic app in your doc and click on it.

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