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New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Salmon Egg » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:12:38 GMT

In addition to needing technical help, I also am having visual problems.

I recently obtained a new Mac Pro Desk top computer. I wanted to copy 
some disk images to an external hard drive installed in an enclosure 
that that supplied connector and power, among other things, to the drive 
itself. When I went to use my old Fire Wire Cables to connect to the Mac 
Pro with Fire Wire 800 ports, I had great difficulty inserting the 
connectors. I finally concluded that the ports on the Mac, differed from 
the kind of ports that were there on earlier models.

The shells of the old ones looked something like this.
  _______
 /       |
|        |
 \_______|

The new shells seem to be rectangular. Am I seeing correctly? Short of 
getting new enclosures and cables, is there a way of using these drives?

Bill

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Davoud » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:26:36 GMT

Salmon Egg:


When you have difficulty inserting a connector, stop. Don't continue
until you have _great_ difficulty.


You could have gotten that, and the solution, with a simple web search.


FW 400 and FW 800 use different connectors. One can, however, buy a
cable that has a FW 800 connector on one end and a FW 400 connector on
the other end. Such a cable will solve your problem.

Davoud

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Fred Moore » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:46:00 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




Bill, the one you displayed is FW 400. At least one of the ones on the 
Mac Pro is FW 800, which is rectangular and has a key or key slot in the 
middle of one side of the socket/plug.

Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Fred McKenzie » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:59:49 GMT

In article <090120101226363780% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Davoud < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > 




An adapter is available to use the old cable with the new machine.  I 
think it is less expensive than a cable.

Fred

Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Salmon Egg » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:02:11 GMT

In article <090120101226363780% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Davoud < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > 




Thank you for the information. I went to Wikipedia. I saw pictures of 
connectors. I could barely make out a connector like the ones I have. 
The older computer had two ports each for FW 400 amd FW 800, but they 
each used the same socket. It is possible that I was looking at a 
downloaded instruction manual for a somewhat later computer.

For some reason, I did not think of Google. I would not know what to 
search for. I had erroneously jumped to the conclusion that the same 
connector would be used for both versions.

Bill

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Salmon Egg » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:10:14 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




<snip> 

As I pointed out to another responder, I use a downloaded version of the 
Mac Pro manual because of my vision problem. I may have it for the wrong 
model. It shows a FW 400 and a FW 800 on the front, and another such 
pair on the back. The computer I had may have had a different 
combination because the same kind of connector could plug into all of 
the FW ports.

I appreciate your help.

Bill

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Jolly Roger » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:11:53 GMT

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"Firewire connectors" would be where I would start. ; )

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Erik Richard Sensen » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:57:19 GMT



Hm, I can't recognize that. I'm using a MacPro myself with both FW400 
and FW800 drives with just common retail cables as well as cables 
delievered with some of my enclosures (OWC Mercury enclosures and 
NewerTech MiniStackV3s). None of these give troubles inserting cables 
neither in the built-in plugs nor on my added Belkin PCIe card

The only thing I've noticed is that the free space between the plug and 
the housing is a bit smaller than on my other two MDDs, so you have to 
be more precise when you plug the cable in. - It's easy to see on the 
front ports... - If I should interprete your drawing, it looks to me as 
if the one side has got a small 'pressure' which has 'de-shaped' the 
cableplug a bit. - I've just checked q	uite a lot of myh cables - none 
of them have a shape that has anything but the rectangular form - 
neither FW400 nor FW800 cables...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Larry Gusaas » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:51:27 GMT




FW 400 and FW 800 ports on a Mac are incompatible and you cannot plug 
one cable type into a port of another type. You can use an adaptor cable 
to plug a FW 400 device into a FW 800 port.

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Steve Hix » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:06:00 GMT

In article <hiatov$v9e$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




In other words, they adhere to the FireWire 400 and 800 specifications.


And vice versa to plug a FW800 device into a FW400 port, where the 
device will run at FW400 speeds.

Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby RXJpayBSaWNoYXJkIFPDuHJlbnNlbg » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:34:24 GMT







Of course, but I have so many cables of both types, so at least I don't 
need any adaptor::-) - My only 'problem' is that I could very well use 
some very short double-shielded FW400 cables of size apprx. 10-12 
inches, but they are screamingly expensive....

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Fred McKenzie » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:29:32 GMT

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




The one I have is made by SIIG, Inc., part number CB-896111-S2

Fred

Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Salmon Egg » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:56:16 GMT

In article <4b48df9f$0$4816$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,





<snip> 

The shell cross section shown above is not the result of mashing the 
connectors. That is the shape of all theFW connectors I have seen until 
now. The right side is flat as shown. The left side does have an angle 
to it so that the cross section is a irregular pentagon.

Bill

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby Erik Richard Sensen » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:19:14 GMT







OK, I've looked up some of my older standard FW400 cables - those that 
came with some of the enclosures, and you're right, - these have the 
irregular shape in the one side. But my more expensive double-shielded 
FW400 cables donot have the same shape - at least not so clearly as the 
cheaper cables.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Re: New Fire Wire connectors?

Postby nospam » Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:56:57 GMT

In article <4b49e1e2$0$8565$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Erik Richard




if it's a six pin firewire 400 connector, it has the shape depicted
earlier in this thread. period.

the other firewire 400 connector type is the smaller 4 pin variety that
lacks the power pins. apple does not use those, but video cameras and a
number of pcs do.

if it's firewire 800, it has a rectangular shape with 9 pins.

there are cables and adapters to convert among the different connectors.

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