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Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby QXJlbmQ » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:57:02 GMT

I am not buying Office 2007 for the reasons below. It may well be that I have 
been unable to find the workaround of these problems, therefore anybody who 
could enlighten me is welcomed:

a) I cannot customize the ribbon. To use a keyboard shortcut I need to hit 5 
keys in order to get there, while in 2003 office I could fix my own shortcuts 
with &X on the toolbar. 
b) I cannot use word for email editor in outlook. All autocorrect & autotext 
entries in normal.dotm are not available in NormalEmail.dotm & vice versa. 
Settings that exist in word do not exist in outlook editor. The function to 
record a macro doesn exist in the editor of outlook and the macros of word 
do not work in outlook.
c) the way that the flags function in the new version is worthless. They all 
have almost the same color and if thhey had done it possible to customize the 
flags (to have a possibility of 25 customized flag colors), a user would use 
5 flags to assign the same functions that exist now.
d) dozens of more reasons which would make a book of this message. 

If you think I am wrong just ignore this message. If you think that I am 
reasonable you can forward this message to those who might be able to review 
what the potential customers have to say.

Thanks
Arend


Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Carey Frisch [MVP] » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:06:55 GMT

Install a good, comprehensive, security program,
such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to
worry about those issues.  You can try it FREE
for ninety (90) days.
 http://www.**--****.com/ 


-- 
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------



I am not buying Office 2007 for the reasons below. It may well be that I have
been unable to find the workaround of these problems, therefore anybody who
could enlighten me is welcomed:

a) I cannot customize the ribbon. To use a keyboard shortcut I need to hit 5
keys in order to get there, while in 2003 office I could fix my own shortcuts
with &X on the toolbar.
b) I cannot use word for email editor in outlook. All autocorrect & autotext
entries in normal.dotm are not available in NormalEmail.dotm & vice versa.
Settings that exist in word do not exist in outlook editor. The function to
record a macro doesn exist in the editor of outlook and the macros of word
do not work in outlook.
c) the way that the flags function in the new version is worthless. They all
have almost the same color and if thhey had done it possible to customize the
flags (to have a possibility of 25 customized flag colors), a user would use
5 flags to assign the same functions that exist now.
d) dozens of more reasons which would make a book of this message.

If you think I am wrong just ignore this message. If you think that I am
reasonable you can forward this message to those who might be able to review
what the potential customers have to say.

Thanks
Arend


Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Tom [Pepper] Willett » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:17:19 GMT

Huh?





: Install a good, comprehensive, security program,
: such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to
: worry about those issues.  You can try it FREE
: for ninety (90) days.
:  http://www.**--****.com/ 
:
:
: -- 
: Carey Frisch
: Microsoft MVP
: Windows Desktop Experience -
: Windows Vista Enthusiast
:
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
:




: I am not buying Office 2007 for the reasons below. It may well be that I 
have
: been unable to find the workaround of these problems, therefore anybody 
who
: could enlighten me is welcomed:
:
: a) I cannot customize the ribbon. To use a keyboard shortcut I need to hit 
5
: keys in order to get there, while in 2003 office I could fix my own 
shortcuts
: with &X on the toolbar.
: b) I cannot use word for email editor in outlook. All autocorrect & 
autotext
: entries in normal.dotm are not available in NormalEmail.dotm & vice versa.
: Settings that exist in word do not exist in outlook editor. The function 
to
: record a macro doesn't exist in the editor of outlook and the macros of 
word
: do not work in outlook.
: c) the way that the flags function in the new version is worthless. They 
all
: have almost the same color and if thhey had done it possible to customize 
the
: flags (to have a possibility of 25 customized flag colors), a user would 
use
: 5 flags to assign the same functions that exist now.
: d) dozens of more reasons which would make a book of this message.
:
: If you think I am wrong just ignore this message. If you think that I am
: reasonable you can forward this message to those who might be able to 
review
: what the potential customers have to say.
:
: Thanks
: Arend
: 



Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Carey Frisch [MVP] » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:32:30 GMT

Please ignore my earlier response.  I was multi-tasking
and sent the wrong post.

-- 
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------



Huh?





: Install a good, comprehensive, security program,
: such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to
: worry about those issues.  You can try it FREE
: for ninety (90) days.
:  http://www.**--****.com/ 
:
:
: -- 
: Carey Frisch
: Microsoft MVP
: Windows Desktop Experience -
: Windows Vista Enthusiast
:
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
:




: I am not buying Office 2007 for the reasons below. It may well be that I 
have
: been unable to find the workaround of these problems, therefore anybody 
who
: could enlighten me is welcomed:
:
: a) I cannot customize the ribbon. To use a keyboard shortcut I need to hit 
5
: keys in order to get there, while in 2003 office I could fix my own 
shortcuts
: with &X on the toolbar.
: b) I cannot use word for email editor in outlook. All autocorrect & 
autotext
: entries in normal.dotm are not available in NormalEmail.dotm & vice versa.
: Settings that exist in word do not exist in outlook editor. The function 
to
: record a macro doesn't exist in the editor of outlook and the macros of 
word
: do not work in outlook.
: c) the way that the flags function in the new version is worthless. They 
all
: have almost the same color and if thhey had done it possible to customize 
the
: flags (to have a possibility of 25 customized flag colors), a user would 
use
: 5 flags to assign the same functions that exist now.
: d) dozens of more reasons which would make a book of this message.
:
: If you think I am wrong just ignore this message. If you think that I am
: reasonable you can forward this message to those who might be able to 
review
: what the potential customers have to say.
:
: Thanks
: Arend
: 



Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Gordon » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:58:20 GMT





That's what the QAT (Quick Access Toolbar is for)



So what does Tools-Macros do then?




Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby QXJlbmQ » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:28:05 GMT

--> That's what the QAT (Quick Access Toolbar is for)
 
The QAT is limited to Alt+number. To get it done with hitting only key you 
are limited to even less shortcuts because when you hold the mouse with your 
right hand, hitting Alt+9 with your left you need to be Shaquille O'Neal. 
Instead in 2003 and with the possibility of &letter you have a minimum 20 
shortcuts with one hand only. Moreover I believe that it should be me the one 
to decide which commands I need on each ribbon and not Microsoft.

--> So what does Tools-Macros do then?
 
As I have already mentioned it does everything except recording a macro, 
which is crucial for the majority of the users who do not know VB. Unless you 
think that every computer user is a skilled programmer

Regards,
Arend











>>>>I am not buying Office 2007 for the reasons below. It may well be that I 
>>>>have
>>>> been unable to find the workaround of these problems, therefore anybody 
>>>> who
>>>> could enlighten me is welcomed:
>>>>
>>>> a) I cannot customize the ribbon. To use a keyboard shortcut I need to hit 
>>>> 5
>>>> keys in order to get there, while in 2003 office I could fix my own 
>>>> shortcuts
>>>> with &X on the toolbar.
>> 
>> That's what the QAT (Quick Access Toolbar is for)
>> 
>> 
>>>> b) I cannot use word for email editor in outlook. All autocorrect & 
>>>> autotext
>>>> entries in normal.dotm are not available in NormalEmail.dotm & vice versa.
>>>> Settings that exist in word do not exist in outlook editor. The function 
>>>> to
>>>> record a macro doesn exist in the editor of outlook and the macros of 
>>>> word
>>>> do not work in outlook.
>> 
>> So what does Tools-Macros do then?
>> 
>>>> c) the way that the flags function in the new version is worthless. They 
>>>> all
>>>> have almost the same color and if thhey had done it possible to customize 
>>>> the
>>>> flags (to have a possibility of 25 customized flag colors), a user would 
>>>> use
>>>> 5 flags to assign the same functions that exist now.
>>>> d) dozens of more reasons which would make a book of this message.
>>>>
>>>> If you think I am wrong just ignore this message. If you think that I am
>>>> reasonable you can forward this message to those who might be able to 
>>>> review
>>>> what the potential customers have to say.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Arend
>>>>
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Gordon » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:22:22 GMT





I don't understand you. What's this about "Alt+number" got to do with 
putting shortcuts on the QAT? Word at least has ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED 
shortcuts you can add to the QAT.... 


Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Bob Buckland ?:-) » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:52:00 GMT

Hi Arend,

The Record Macro choice is available in several places in Word 2007.

On the Ribbon, click on View=>Macros=>Record Macro

If you right click on the status bar on the bottom of the Word screen you can turn on the macro recording choice there.

It's also available on the Developer tab.  The tab isn't displayed by default but can be turned on from Office Button=>Word
Options=>Popular

You can also add it to the Quick Access Toolbar.

In Word, but not the other Office apps, you can assign keyboard shortcuts from
  Office Button=>Word Options=>Customize=>[Keyboard]

=========



As I have already mentioned it does everything except recording a macro,
which is crucial for the majority of the users who do not know VB. Unless you
think that every computer user is a skilled programmer.

Regards,
Arend>>
-- 

Bob  Buckland  ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

  *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*



Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby QXJlbmQ » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:15:01 GMT

In order to make use of a shortcut in QAT (from your keyboard) you need to 
press Alt+number from 1 to 9 and if you have more shortcuts a combination of 
numbers & letters. You can edit the keyboard shortcuts of the ribbon. You 
have to learn how Microsoft decided to organize the keyboard shortcuts and 
forget how you did it yourself for years with Office 2003. 
However, in word there is a workaround by Word options--> customize --> 
keyboard shortcuts.

The huge problem is with the outlook editor. This function (to assign 
keyboard shortcuts) doesn exist (at least I didn find it).
You will have to hit a series of keys if you have more than 9 shortcuts in 
QAT.
Moreover in outlook editor you work with a different dotm, which means that 
everything you have put in normal.dotm of word is no more available when you 
write an email and vice versa. You need to every day update the 
emailnormal.dotm with the normal.dotm, which is out of the question.
On the top of that you can record a macro in your outlook editor nor can 
you use those of word. You need to be a skillful VB programmer in order to 
write a macro and I am not, like most of the users.

These are the top reasons (among many others) that I do not buy Office 2007. 
If you believe that I am wrong I am all ears.

Regards,
Arend
PS. Not to mention that I do not have the time to learn all over again where 
Microsoft has decided to hide the commands I was familiar with in Office 
2003. And I wouldn mind try to learn if I had the option to customize the 
ribbon and put them there.










Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Gordon » Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:21:57 GMT





Sorry, what shortcuts are we talking about here? 


Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby QXJlbmQ » Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:18:13 GMT

Hello Bob,

I am NOT talking about the command to record a macro in word. I am talking 
about the lack of this command in outlook editor. Office 2007 doesn have 
the option to use word for writing email messages and the email editor of 
outlook doesn give you the option to record a macro. NOR gives you the 
option to create keyboard shortcuts.
I have already written this in my previous posts. Why don you read a post 
before replying?

Regards 
Arend







Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Gordon » Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:45:19 GMT





Just out of interest, why would you want to record a macro in Outlook? 


Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby QXJlbmQ » Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:45:13 GMT

For the same reason that one uses macros in word: to execute several tasks 
with one key hit when composing a document, which in outlook is the reply or 
forward of an incoming message.

But don you think that the reason that there are 2 different dotm, one for 
word and one for email, is already enough to never buy Office 2007? Not to 
mention the fact that you can customize the ribbon neither you can assign 
keyboard shortcuts to the outlook editor. 

Regards,
Christos










Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby Gordon » Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:56:19 GMT






Sorry, I don't buy that. Email is not a medium that requires macros or 
"composing" - just like newsgroup posts do not require "composing" or 
macros...a waste of time and energy IMHO.... 


Re: Why i do not buy Office 2007

Postby R2VtaW5p » Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:56:02 GMT

Arend, for several reasons, I've also chosen not to move to Office 2007 and 
shell out the $$$s MS wants, the Ribbon being one of the major reasons. I've 
reverted to Office 2003. Since Bill Gates has publicly stated that in the 
future, MS plans to use the Fluent UI (i.e. the Ribbon thing) more 
extensively in MS products, I've also started looking into transitioning 
completely to OpenOffice or Zoho. 

If I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about Gordon and his responses. 
He's a big Office 2007 fan. Based on prior experience, he is apparently 
unable to comprehend the fact that quite a few users aren't exactly overawed 
by the infamous Ribbon.

hth!

-- Gemini







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