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Postby tholen@antispam.ham » Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:31:47 GMT

Jeff Relf writes:

35> Newsgroups:
alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers,comp.os.os2.advocacy

35> People like Tim Harrison, Seamus MacRae, Tholen and "Murphy"
35> flood newsgroups because they insist on having the last word.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to
do with OS/2, Relf?  Ironically, you just "flooded" three newsgroups
because you insist on having the first word, even though the word
has nothing to do with the newsgroups to which you've posted.

35> Usenet is the leastoderated messaging system on the planet
because
35> "we" do our own filtering ?? we don't need imaginary moderators
35> like Murphy and Snip... not one bit.  Use Glorb, unfiltered
version.

Your own filtering isn't very good at stopping you from posting
off-topic material to newsgroups, Relf.

35> To get the most out of Usenet, focus on authors you trust
35> and mark most of the rest "Wasead".

How will that prevent you from posting off-topic material to
newsgroups, Relf?

35> Sort posts by author, only read "random" authors when
35> they're replying to someone you trust ( including yourself, no
"plonking" )
35> or, if you've got the time, read their 5 most recent posts.

Why would anyone want to read your five most recent posts, Relf?
Do any of them have anything to do with the newsgroups to which
you've posted them?

35> Display the "history", a.k.a. "heritage" or "path", at the top
35> of each post, so you don't need no "tree view", like this:

Your history consists of posting off-topic material to newsgroups,
Relf.  You insist on having the first word.  How ironic.

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Postby tholen@antispam.ham » Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:51:39 GMT

Tim < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:

1> Newsgroups:
alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers,comp.os.os2.advocacy

1> Don't lump me in with that wackjob "murphy"!

I didn't, Harrison.  It was Relf who lumped you in with
"murphy".  Of course, you would know that by now if you
had better reading comprehension skills.

1> Especially when making an accusation like that one. I don't flood
1> newsgroups.

Irrelevant, given that I didn't make the accusation, Harrison.
Rather, Relf did.  Take it up with him, not me.

1> Rest deleted.

What does your note of deletion have to do with OS/2, Harrison?

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Postby tholen@antispam.ham » Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:19:22 GMT

Tim < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:

2> Newsgroups:
alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers,comp.os.os2.advocacy

2> I don't care who did it;

What does your lack of care have to do with OS/2, Harrison?

2> it was wrong.

What does your agreement have to do with OS/2, Harrison?

2> Moreover, you quoted it and you
2> quoted it uncritically, as if it were true, rather than indicate
any
2> disagreement with what you were quoting.

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Harrison?  The
very
first thing I wrote after the quotation is "What does your classic
unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do with OS/2, Relf?"  How
can
you possibly read that and conclude that I had no disagreement with
what
I had quoted, Harrison?

2> Of course not.

Then how could you possibly conclude that I didn't indicate any
disagreement with what I had quoted when I had clearly called it
erroneous, Harrison?  You insist that you don't have a reading
comprehension problem and yet the evidence clearly indicates
otherwise.

2> No, not irrelevant.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have
to do with OS/2, Harrison?

2> Nothing.

Then why are you posting about a deletion in an OS/2 newsgroup,
Harrison?

2> But someone badmouthed me in comp.os.os2.advocacy and so I
responded in
2> my own defense before that same audience.

Respond to the person who engaged in the badmouthing, Harrison.

2> If you don't like that he brought some off-topic traffic into your
2> group, take it up with Relf.

Been there, done that, which you would know by now if you had better
reading comprehension skills, Harrison.

2> I'm sure you'll be glad to note that I've set followups out

Unfortunately, you set the distribution of your response in the group,
Harrison.

2> of your group.

Classic erroneous presupposition that it's "my" group.

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Postby tholen@antispam.ham » Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:33:15 GMT

im < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:

3> Newsgroups:
alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers,comp.os.os2.advocacy

3> Nothing.

Then why are you posting about your lack of care in an OS/2
newsgroup, Harrison?

3> I was explaining why you were encountering off-topic posts in
3> comp.os.os2.advocacy.

On the contrary, you were complaining about the alleged uncritical
quotation of Relf's remark as if it were true, despite the fact that
I had called it an unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, which
demonstrates reading comprehension problems on your part, Harrison.

3> It's all Jeff Relf's fault.

Take it up with Jeff Relf, Harrison.

3> And not mine.

You're blaming Relf for your own postings, Harrison?

3> Nothing.

Then why are you posting about your agreement in an OS/2
newsgroup, Harrison?

3> I was explaining why you were encountering off-topic posts in
3> comp.os.os2.advocacy.

On the contrary, you were complaining about the alleged uncritical
quotation of Relf's remark as if it were true, despite the fact that
I had called it an unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, which
demonstrates reading comprehension problems on your part, Harrison.

3> It's all Jeff Relf's fault.

Take it up with Jeff Relf, Harrison.

3> And not mine.

You're blaming Relf for your own postings, Harrison?

3> Still beating your wife, Tholen?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition of a question
have to do with OS/2, Harrison?

3> You clearly disagreed with where Relf posted it,

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Harrison?
Is "where Relf posted it" a claim?

3> but did not clearly
3> indicate what you thought was erroneous in what he said.

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Harrison?
Since when does an "erroneous claim" not refer to what he said?

3> Perhaps you disagreed that I flood newsgroups "because I insist
3> on having the last word" without disagreeing that I flood
3> newsgroups, for instance.

Is that the only possibility you can think of, Harrison?

3> I made it clear that every single statement about me Relf made was
3> wrong,

So, his statement about you being Tim Harrison is wrong, eh
Harrison?

3> rather than vaguely asserting that at least one of the several
3> statements that Relf had made about at least one of the four people
he
3> made them about was wrong.

What does the option you didn't choose have to do with OS/2,
Harrison?

3> Clearly called WHAT erroneous?

Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Harrison?
I clearly called his claim erroneous. That's what "erroneous claim"
means.

3> See above.

See my response above.

3> {*filter*} off.

What does your foul language have to do with OS/2, Harrison?

3> I've made no claim fitting that description, Tholen.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, given that you
declared something relevant to be irrelevant, Harrison.

3> I was explaining why you were encountering off-topic posts in
3> comp.os.os2.advocacy.

On the contrary, you were complaining about the alleged uncritical
quotation of Relf's remark as if it were true, despite the fact that
I had called it an unsubstantiated and erroneous claim, which
demonstrates reading comprehension problems on your part, Harrison.

3> It's all Jeff Relf's fault.

Take it up with Jeff Relf,

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Jeff Relf writes:

35> Newsgroups:
alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers,comp.os.os2.advocacy

35> People like Tim Harrison, Seamus MacRae, Tholen and "Murphy"
35> flood newsgroups because they insist on having the last word.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to
do with OS/2, Relf?  Ironically, you just "flooded" three newsgroups
because you insist on having the first word, even though the word
has nothing to do with the newsgroups to which you've posted.

35> Usenet is the leastoderated messaging system on the planet
because
35> "we" do our own filtering ?? we don't need imaginary moderators
35> like Murphy and Snip... not one bit.  Use Glorb, unfiltered
version.

Your own filtering isn't very good at stopping you from posting
off-topic material to newsgroups, Relf.

35> To get the most out of Usenet, focus on authors you trust
35> and mark most of the rest "Wasead".

How will that prevent you from posting off-topic material to
newsgroups, Relf?

35> Sort posts by author, only read "random" authors when
35> they're replying to someone you trust ( including yourself, no
"plonking" )
35> or, if you've got the time, read their 5 most recent posts.

Why would anyone want to read your five most recent posts, Relf?
Do any of them have anything to do with the newsgroups to which
you've posted them?

35> Display the "history", a.k.a. "heritage" or "path", at the top
35> of each post, so you don't need no "tree view", like this:

Your history consists of posting off-topic material to newsgroups,
Relf.  You insist on having the first word.  How ironic.

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On 27/11/2010 2:24 AM,  XXXX@XXXXX.COM  wrote:
> [long, rambling, insult-laden, off-topic post deleted largely
> unread]

Not one single one of the unflattering assertions made about me contain 
any truth whatsoever. All are "classic unsusbtantiated and erroneous 
claims".

A few specific statements are separately addressed below. All else can 
be presumed rebutted per the above.

>     "If you would simply shut up, all this off-topic traffic would
> cease."
>        --Tim Harrison
>
> You do know what "all this" means, don't you, Harrison?

Yes. It means this thread, which is off-topic and which will end within 
hours of your shutting up.

> You didn't restrict your earlier claim to your off-topic traffic.
> You quite clearly referred to "all this" off-topic traffic, which
> would necessarily include dizzy's off-topic traffic as well,
> Harrison, as if you have control over him.

Dizzy's off-topic traffic to this thread has ALREADY stopped. Only you 
and I continue to post to it, and as soon as you stop, I'll stop within 
a few hours after that.

> 26>  and it contains the classic erroneous and
> 26>  unsubstantiated self-aggrandizing claim "Dr. David J. Tholen is
> the
> 26>  Supreme God of Comp.OS.OS2.Advocacy."
>
> [insult deleted], Harrison? That's the subject line originally
> written by

you.

> Jeff Relf on October 3

No, you. The chronologically earliest post with that subject in aioe's 
news spool is by you, not Relf.

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On 23/11/2010 7:13 AM,  XXXX@XXXXX.COM  wrote:
[reams and reams of unused, badly-formatted quoted material deleted]

Learn to trim.

Learn to quote properly.

If your news client mangles the quoted text and you're too lazy to 
correct it manually, get better news software. <-- This post is on topic 
in news.software.readers! Yay!

> Relf>  People like Tim Harrison ... [false accusation deleted]

That is incorrect. Stop requoting that crap. Some people will read it 
and believe it.

> I see that you've chosen the option to continue to look like a
> [insults deleted]

No, you're the moron.

> remark "erroneous", as substantiated in the above quotation, yet
> you [insult deleted]

He listed four people as allegedly possessing a negative trait; I am one 
of the four.

You stated that his statement was incorrect but were not more specific 
than that. Perhaps you meant that Tim Harrison and two of the other 
people named do have the negative trait but one of them does not; 
perhaps you meant that only you have the negative trait among the four; 
perhaps you meant that no-one did. You did not make any statements 
either way about whether the substatement "People like Tim Harrison ... 
[false accusation]" was correct or incorrect, hence, quoted that 
substatement uncritically.

> [insults deleted including calling me a liar]

No, you're the liar and the moron.

The questions I repeated were "what does your negative opinion of me 
have to do with OS/2, tholen?" and the like. So far you have yet to 
provide satisfactory answers to those questions. The questions also 
serve the purpose of highlighting your hypocrisy in repeatedly asking 
pointed questions like that of others who post off-topic posts in 
comp.os.os2.advocacy while making the bulk of that group's off-topic 
posts yourself.

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Hi dilbert

dilbert firestorm wrote:
>    
>
>                 / 2
>  -       .
>
>              
>        / 2       .
>
>  dilbert
>
> english to persian translation - google translate
>
> hey Iranian fruit loops,
>
> your posting is so far off topic it has nothing to do with OS/2 TCP-IP,
> and it ain't funny.
>
> please stop your spam crap about the VPN service posted in Persian or
> Farsi in this OS/2 networking TCP-IP newsgroup.
>
> dilbert firestorm
>


Seconded - not that I think the "Iranian fruit loops" will pay any 
attention.

Regards

Pete

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