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Can't start up with 2 GB RAM

Postby Andrew Aronoff » Sat, 14 May 2005 06:13:31 GMT

I have a multi-boot system. One of the O/S's is Windows 98 SE; it's
used exclusively for testing. (I own MS Virtual PC, but it's always a
good idea to be able to test in a native install.)

When I upgraded my PC from 512 MB to 1.25 GB of RAM, I followed the
instructions in MSKB 304943 ("Computer May Reboot Continuously with
More Than 1.5 GB of RAM") and MSKB 184447 ("Error Message:
Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows") to be able to boot. I also
heeded MSKB 253912 ("Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts
of RAM Installed") to get DOS apps to run.

Specifically, in the [386Enh] section of SYSTEM.INI, I added the line
"MaxPhysPage=38000". Article 304943 recommended 40000, but the system
wouldn't boot with that value.

To get DOS apps to work, a section [vcache] was added to SYSTEM.INI
with the line, "MaxFileCache=262144". Article 253912 recommended
524288, but that didn't work.

I just upgraded my system from 1.25 GB to 2 GB. Windows 98 SE won't
boot with the settings that worked with 1.25 GB. When it starts up, I
see a black screen. If I press any keys, I see a series of blue
screens. If I reboot and try Safe Mode, I see the message that starts
"Insufficient memory to initialize Windows." I tried drastically
reducing the MaxPhysPage and MaxFileCache values, but that had no
effect. AUTOEXEC.BAT has been reduced to a single keyb command;
CONFIG.SYS has been completely REMmed out.

There is no problem with the RAM. There are two identical modules --
same manufacturer and specs. My other native O/S's boot just fine.
Nothing is being overclocked.

I'm not trying to get Windows 98 SE to use all the installed RAM. In
fact, I don't care how little RAM it uses as long as it boots. Can
anything else be done to get Windows 98 SE to boot with 2 GB of RAM?

regards, Andy
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Re: Can't start up with 2 GB RAM

Postby David H. Lipman » Sat, 14 May 2005 06:24:03 GMT

From: "Andrew Aronoff" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >

| I have a multi-boot system. One of the O/S's is Windows 98 SE; it's
| used exclusively for testing. (I own MS Virtual PC, but it's always a
| good idea to be able to test in a native install.)
|
| When I upgraded my PC from 512 MB to 1.25 GB of RAM, I followed the
| instructions in MSKB 304943 ("Computer May Reboot Continuously with
| More Than 1.5 GB of RAM") and MSKB 184447 ("Error Message:
| Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows") to be able to boot. I also
| heeded MSKB 253912 ("Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts
| of RAM Installed") to get DOS apps to run.
|
| Specifically, in the [386Enh] section of SYSTEM.INI, I added the line
| "MaxPhysPage=38000". Article 304943 recommended 40000, but the system
| wouldn't boot with that value.
|
| To get DOS apps to work, a section [vcache] was added to SYSTEM.INI
| with the line, "MaxFileCache=262144". Article 253912 recommended
| 524288, but that didn't work.
|
| I just upgraded my system from 1.25 GB to 2 GB. Windows 98 SE won't
| boot with the settings that worked with 1.25 GB. When it starts up, I
| see a black screen. If I press any keys, I see a series of blue
| screens. If I reboot and try Safe Mode, I see the message that starts
| "Insufficient memory to initialize Windows." I tried drastically
| reducing the MaxPhysPage and MaxFileCache values, but that had no
| effect. AUTOEXEC.BAT has been reduced to a single keyb command;
| CONFIG.SYS has been completely REMmed out.
|
| There is no problem with the RAM. There are two identical modules --
| same manufacturer and specs. My other native O/S's boot just fine.
| Nothing is being overclocked.
|
| I'm not trying to get Windows 98 SE to use all the installed RAM. In
| fact, I don't care how little RAM it uses as long as it boots. Can
| anything else be done to get Windows 98 SE to boot with 2 GB of RAM?
|
| regards, Andy
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Way too much RAM for Win98 !  At most with the [vcache] setting 1MB.  You are better off
reducing the platform to 512MB and setting the [vcache] value of MaxFileCache to 524288 or
less.

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Re: Can't start up with 2 GB RAM

Postby Andrew Aronoff » Sat, 14 May 2005 08:04:41 GMT

Hi, David.


It would really help if you'd read my post. This is a multi-boot
machine. I haven't installed the RAM for W98, but for other O/S's that
were designed to benefit from it. I'm not trying to configure W98 to
use the RAM. I only want to be able to boot.


I think you mean 1 GB, but when someone's in a hurry, what's 999 MB?


As I said, the PC is being used for other O/S's, so removing RAM is
not an option. Configuring W98 SE to boot with 2 GB installed is what
I'm trying to accomplish.


As I said, W98 wouldn't boot no matter what value was assigned to
MaxFileCache.

regards, Andy
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Re: Can't start up with 2 GB RAM

Postby Ron Martell » Sat, 14 May 2005 08:10:00 GMT




Try reducing the MaxPhysPage parameter even further, to 30000 (=768
mb) or even 20000 (= 512 mb).

Note that the MaxPhysPage entry goes into the existing [386enh]
section of system.ini and the MaxFileCache entry goes into the
existing [vcache] section.

Neither entry will be processed or implemented if it is in the wrong
section and if the [vcache] header is duplicated then it is possible
that the entry may be ignored even if it is under one of [vcache]
headers.

Good luck


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Re: Can't start up with 2 GB RAM

Postby Andrew Aronoff » Sat, 14 May 2005 10:11:44 GMT

Hi, Ron.

Thanks for your suggestions.


As it turns out, what was keeping the PC from booting was the
MaxFileCache value. I was able to boot with MaxPhysPage=38000 and
MaxFileCache=30000. If MaxFileCache was above 200000, the PC wouldn't
boot. Below 200000, it would boot, but running an MS-DOS program would
throw the error, "There is not enough memory available to run this
program." The error occurred at 40000 but not at 30000.

I'm now able to boot into W98 SE and run MS-DOS programs. That's
exactly what I wanted.

regards, Andy
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