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The x64 system time glitch

Postby SmVhbg » Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:10:02 GMT

Hello there,

For over a year I'm a proud x64 pc owner.  Next to a little playing with the 
cpp version of win x64 I've been running Win32 all that time.
About a month ago the final version of win x64 pro arrived and in all the 
e{*filter*}ment I fooled myself in to believing this was the time for the big 
switch...
Bye bye win32 here comes Win x64. 
Hmm, the switch isn't going all that smooth.
Next to some incompatibility problems (cheap non-standard-{*filter*}, etc.) the 
weirdest glitch is bugging my computer and torturing me meanwhile.

How should I explain this. Well, in some mysterious way since I running 
x64 every minute on my computer appears to last about 63 seconds. Now I know 
computer-clocks aren known for their accuracy but 3 sec every minute, 
that a bit too much in my opinion. (that one hour 20 hours) Fact of the 
matter is that about anything that is time dependent, like audio playback, is 
affected. (this can be quite annoying | although Directx (videofilters, etc.) 
seems somewhat immune)
Studying the problem Ie learned that the seconds aren equally longer, 
but from time to time the clock seems to stall a bit, witch also translates 
into noticeable glitch in my music playback. (the audio playing at that time 
indeed is stalled as well, when I listen to internet radio my music player 
even stops after a while, not because the loss of connection, but because 
it buffer is full, does take about 2 hours to fill)

Now I wonder, what is causing this glitch, and how do I solve it???
It driving me mad!

Things I should mention:
-	If isn strange enough, here some more. When my computer is up for a 
while, (no rebooting, but use of standby and hibernation), the glitches seem 
to occur less often and it takes a longer time to fill up the buffer when 
listening to internet radio (in other words, keeps playing a while longer)
-	When I was using win32 I didn have these problems, but I do remember I 
couldn use the standby-function. (funny thing is, when the computer got out 
standby, I had the opposite problem, all audio (inc windows sounds) was 
played back al little faster then it should, but in a non glitchy way, as a 
result listing to internet radio was interrupted for rebuffering from time to 
time)

To demonstrate my problem I made al little movie:
 http://www.**--****.com/ 
It shows:
-	system date and time
-	a program that syncs my clock with a server every 5 minutes
-	and the AMD power app, showing processor use and Powernow mode.

Few remarks:
-	In the back radio is playing, but I must admit that due to the fact that 
the encoding happened on the same system a lot more glitches are present in 
the movie-audio
-	The first half of the movie the computer is running with normal power 
management functions and the glitches seem to happen every time the  
processor switches back to power save mode, but as you will see in the second 
part of the movie, glitches still are present even when it doesn come to a 
switchback
-	The movie is about 10 minutes so at the beginning in the middle and in the 
end you clearly see how my computer loses track of time.

I do hope someone knows how to solve this.



Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Tony Sperling » Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:08:40 GMT

h, I don't know - used to be that overclocking could drive your clock
'nuts'. Could even result from tweaking at the factory that you know nothing
about. Try going into BIOS setup and 'underclock' it by, say, twenty
percent - see what happens?

I suspect that some high performance HD systems may not perform very well
with 'Windows System Cache' enabled. Tried asking about it here, but no
respons.

Happy tweaking!

Tony. . .


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Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby SmVhbg » Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:38:01 GMT

It's a Targa Visionary 811 Notebook with an Athlon64 2800+ Mobile processor....
Doesn't leave any room for clockmodifications....

Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby SmVhbg » Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:16:04 GMT

Great news, 
I just ran a Bios update and problem just got whorse, now I'm running late 
31 sec every 5 minutes...

AAARRRRGGGG!!!!!

Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Tony Sperling » Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:05:07 GMT

Alright - there's maybe a lead. I would contact those BIOS support people,
and see what they have to say.

Tony. . .









Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Darrellg » Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:04:27 GMT

Hello Jean,
Try using /usepmtimer in the boot.ini.
Tell us if this makes any difference.

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Jean » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:18:28 GMT

I've contacted the boispeople, and as expected they say they can't give 
support since they sold me the system with a 32bit OS.

/usepmtimer

I'll try it, can you tell me what it actually does?

Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Jud Hendrix » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:32:24 GMT




 http://www.**--****.com/ 

sort off :)

jud

Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Jean » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:41:13 GMT

Sorry, didn't do anything.
Clock still running 31 secs slow every 5 mins.
And actually my music sounds glichty'er then ever.
pfff!

Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Jean » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:34:06 GMT

Nope, even with the options suggested there.
But I see this option is for solving a directX timing problem.
Fact is my direct isn't affected, at least, I don't think it is.
The problem runs deeper, it's the entire computer that has problems 
keeping track of time.

Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Tripp Parks [MSFT] » Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:16:15 GMT

Have you installed any new drivers lately?

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Sorry, didn't do anything.
Clock still running 31 secs slow every 5 mins.
And actually my music sounds glichty'er then ever.
pfff!

Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Jean » Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:59:21 GMT

Prettymuch al drivers are the standard windows drivers or drivers 
obtained threw windows-update(via fast ethernet).
Non standard drivers are the ATi Radeon driver and de Realtec soundman 
drivers.
Recently Ie installed the new AMD processor driver, but the problem 
was the same before and after

I must admit that Ie told the ATi driver that I using a Radeon X700 
mobility while in fact it a 9700 mobility, but it works just fine. And 
it not causing the problem, Ie completely uninstalled it and the 
problems didn disappear.
The problems have been there form the beginning, but most drivers have 
been installed right after the windows installation, so I can tell for 
sure it isn one of them.

In my opinion the AMD and ATi drivers are excluded, so I gues, if it is 
a driver, it must be the Realtec Soundman software, or am I mistaken.

Il try uninstalling it, I know my sound works without it as well, so 
wel see.

Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Jean » Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:24:40 GMT

I think we found who guilty, down from 31 to 19 sec every 5 mins
Less little less jittery but give it about half a minute and iTunes gets 
really destructive (don know what else to call it) with the sounds. 
Play/pause and it gone again.
Il try the most recent driver from Realtec.


Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby John Barnes » Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:39:10 GMT

Try Microsoft Update and see if there are drivers there that are WHQL.









Re: The x64 system time glitch

Postby Jean » Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:01:54 GMT

Well, back to the good old 31 seconds with the glitches, but without the 
sound destruction.
I guess this leaves 2 possibilities, or the sound driver is causing it 
(probably), or it makes audio less sensitive to the real problem  (hmm?).
Suggestions? Contact Realtek?

(no whql-driver available)

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